Author Topic: Phelps is dead. (Read 4795 times)

Brennus · « **on:** March 20, 2014, 12:00:39 PM »

He died on the Feast of St. Joseph.

BTNYC · « **Reply #1 on:** March 20, 2014, 03:11:41 PM »

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He died on the Feast of St. Joseph.

Whose veneration he has no doubt many times blasphemously condemned as papist idolatry; assuming his Protestant beliefs were even sincerely held at all - indeed, can a CIA shill be sincere about anything at all?

May God have Mercy on his soul.

alaric · « **Reply #2 on:** March 20, 2014, 06:12:36 PM »

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can a CIA shill be sincere about anything at all?

Any proof of that?

No, I didn't think so.

Anyway, heretic or not, he fought SODOMY harder than about 99 percent of Catholics in this country, so at least we can give him that.

If God truly does "hate fαɢs" there's a whole of RC clergy in a lot bigger trouble than Phelps when they check out some day.

Sigismund · « **Reply #3 on:** March 20, 2014, 06:14:56 PM »

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Quote from: Brennus

He died on the Feast of St. Joseph.

Whose veneration he has no doubt many times blasphemously condemned as papist idolatry; assuming his Protestant beliefs were even sincerely held at all - indeed, can a CIA shill be sincere about anything at all?

May God have Mercy on his soul.

I don't know about the CIA shill part, but a hearty amen to everything else.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #4 on:** March 20, 2014, 09:13:22 PM »

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The family says they're not going to have any funeral. Rumors abound, consequently.

Do you guys suppose this is a fag protesting?

Source

Okay, so now check out the context:

...Over the weekend, we learned that Phelps was reportedly "on the edge of death."

In a statement on his Facebook page, Nathan Phelps, who has been estranged from his father for 30 years, said the senior Phelps was dying in hospice care in Topeka, Kan., and that he had been ex-communicated from his own church in August of 2013.

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Later in the day, Westboro Baptist Church tweeted this message, which included a link to its statement regarding Phelps' death.

[the photo above, with the picket sign, belongs here]

Westboro Baptist Church thanks God for Fred Phelps Sr.’s passing: http://bit.ly/OEHxrh
10:32 AM - 20 Mar 2014

In their commentary, they said:

God forbid, if every little soul at the Westboro Baptist Church were to die at this instant, or to turn from serving the true and living God, it would not change one thing about the judgments of God that await this deeply corrupted nation and world. That is the pinnacle of your hopes, and by far the most vain. Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, or the power of God.

Click here to read the whole commentary

Phelps' granddaughter Megan Phelps-Roper sent several tweets about her grandfather's passing:

Megan Phelps-Roper @meganphelps
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"One way or another, he's at peace. There's only Heaven or peaceful nothingness. That's what I think." RIP, Gramps. I love you forever.
9:28 AM - 20 Mar 2014

Megan Phelps-Roper @meganphelps
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I'm so sorry for the harm he caused. That we all caused. But he could be so kind and wonderful. I wish you all could have seen that, too.
9:28 AM - 20 Mar 2014

Megan Phelps-Roper @meganphelps
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I understand those who don't mourn his loss, but I'm thankful for those who see that "An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind."
9:29 AM - 20 Mar 2014

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Love and peace to all. The world needs more of both. That's the part of Gramps I'll keep and share with others.
9:35 AM - 20 Mar 2014

Topekans had mixed reactions to the news of Phelps' passing and many flocked to the site of the church to take pictures of it and in front of the rainbow-decorated Equality House across the street.

Equality House is a project by the tolerance group Planting Peace. Director of Operations Davis Hammet told 13 News the group has been in the house for a year now. Hammet said they wanted to spin a bad situation into a positive one.

"We're all saddened by [Fred's] passing. It's another human life gone, he's a family man and it's unfortunate. Although we have stark disagreements with the foundations of WBC, it's still unfortunate that they lost a loved one."

Hammet said the best reaction to Phelps' death is love.

"Even if we have disagreements we have to get over it and see the higher purpose of respecting each other."

Topeka resident Linda Bierley brought pins that displayed an X'd out "Fred" on them to pass out.

"Fred has been around for a long time and he has just been such an evil-spirited man and caused so much harm and pain to families that didn't deserve it."

Roger Laubengαyer came to the Equality House with his family. His daughter, Rebecca is visiting from California and she wanted to see the house.

"Maybe we can move on and Topeka can be known for something else besides Fred Phelps. It was kind of a circus, the whole thing, not sure how seriously some people took it, but anything we can do to promote more love and understanding would be great."

Rebecca and her partner are getting married soon, and Roger said he just wants them to feel comfortable in Topeka.

"Westboro Baptist Church was different for me because I support my daughter and I want her to feel comfortable here and their program didn't make her feel comfortable."

Rebecca said that people in California know the Phelpses. They've seen them and their pickets, and Rebecca said he is generally unliked there because Californians are more liberal and don't like his message.

"I feel bad for his family. We have to remember he was a father, a grandfather, a great grandfather first. Some people do crazy things and just because they do crazy things doesn't make them less human."

Topeka Mayor Larry Wolgast released the following statement:

“I believe we should respect the Phelps family’s right to mourn their loss at this time. Topeka is a strong and vibrant city that will continue to move forward, past destructive hate and intolerance, as a city of compassion and acceptance. We must continue to respect and value each individual.”

Posted by Greg Palmer and Nick Viviani

Some blog comments:

dhunt81 • 10 hours ago

I in no way condone this man's and family's behavior, especially being a gαy man myself, however, I think we should show them humility and compassion in their time of loss. We should show them what love and acceptance are instead of portraying and partaking in the same reprehensible behavior they decided to show toward their fellow humans.

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ThatGuy dhunt81 • 10 hours ago

I don't think that will teach them any sort of lesson. They're too thick for that to occur to them.
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AJ ThatGuy • 9 hours ago

It's not about teaching the WBC a lesson. It's about being decent human beings ourselves, showing that even in the face of hatred we can show compassion and caring for those who will miss him.

Children of monsters still grieve for their parents, and still need support. His children and grandchildren who left the church because they disagreed with the values will still miss him, and they don't deserve to have to put up with hatred from the rest of the world.
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ssparks123 AJ • 9 hours ago

Yeah, I just disagree with this approach, except insofar as we are talking about the children who actually left the church. To the extent they left the church and have completely disavowed the abhorrent beliefs and practices of their father, I suppose some measure of compassion is appropriate. But as for those children who remained faithful to their father and their so-called "church," I have nothing nice to say to those people. Fred Phelps was a horrible, horrible human being. He did nothing but spread hatred and spew bigotry at every opportunity. I do not feel the least bit of compassion toward those of his children who remained committed to their father and his beliefs through his lifetime. They are equally terrible human beings.
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eLements ssparks123 • 8 hours ago

I think it bears considering just how fornicated up things must have been for his children, and by extension their children as well. I hope that his passing may be a weight off the shoulders of his surviving family and give them a chance to look at how they have treated both each other, and the world in general.
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ThatGuy AJ • 9 hours ago

Okay, I get your point, but considering how many thousands of people die every minute of every day, I'm sure there are better candidates for sympathy. Phelps and his family (who, by the way, I'm sure condoned his repugnant behavior) aren't exactly a priority for me. Just because he was a public figure (notoriously, for all the wrong reasons) doesn't mean he DESERVES anything.
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dcx_2 AJ • 3 hours ago

I would argue that WBC got the lesson loud and clear. That's why they aren't having a funeral for him. They're terrified that they might taste their own medicine.

And rightfully so. Actions have consequences. This man went out of his way to make others who had done nothing to him miserable. He deserves no sympathy whatsoever.
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KA AJ • 38 minutes ago

Lets then see those who HAVE left the "church" stand up, publicly and disavow everything they did and their members did and apologize to every single family member of funerals they picketed at. Saying you are sorry and doing something about it are two separate things.
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dhunt81 ThatGuy • 8 hours ago

I don't necessarily think there is really any lesson to be taught here, especially if they don't want to learn. I think this is more about the respect for a family that lost someone they cared deeply about. I would want the same from anyone else, regardless of how I lived my life and if they agreed with it. I know he and his group did not have the same respect toward many others in the nation, but I would like to think I am a better person than the people at the WBC.
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Angie Mathes ThatGuy • 9 hours ago

You are probably correct, but that's not the point. Just because a pupil refuses to learn, doesn't mean you can't keep trying to teach them. Maybe in the process you will teach others.

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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #5 on:** March 20, 2014, 09:32:24 PM »

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Here is a statement from those who have remained faithful to their father's church (of whom the fag above so disapproves). They quote some Bible verses, and include the following words:

http://blogs.sparenot.com/workmen/2014/03/20/your-dashed-hopes/

Your Dashed Hopes
March 20, 2014

Fred W. Phelps, Sr. Has Gone The Way of All Flesh, And Has Died on March 19, 2014

Westboro Baptist Church Issues the Following Commentary:

The world-wide media has been in a frenzy during the last few days, gleefully anticipating the death of Fred Waldron Phelps Sr. It has been an unprecedented, hypocritical, vitriolic explosion of words.

Do they vainly hope for the death of his body? People die – that is the way of all flesh:

So – the death of Fred Phelps’ body, a man who preached a plain faithful doctrine to an ever darkening world, is nothing but a vain, empty, hypocritical hope for you.

It’s like every journalist in the world simultaneously set aside what little journalistic integrity they have, so that they could wait breathlessly for a rumor to publish: in-fighting, succession plans, and power struggles, oh my! How shameful! You’re like a bunch of little girls on the playground waiting for some gossip!

Listen carefully; there are no power struggles in the Westboro Baptist Church, and there is no human intercessor – we serve no man, and no hierarchy, only the Lord Jesus Christ. No red shoes, no goofy hat, and no white smoke for us; thank you very much.

Remember that the Lord Jesus Christ warned us that a man’s foes will be they of his own household: So again, there is nothing surprising about these shenanigans, spurred on by faithless, ax-grinding, God-hating deserters of the cross, and it amounts to nothing but vain, empty, hope.

God forbid, if every little soul at the Westboro Baptist Church were to die at this instant, or to turn from serving the true and living God, it would not change one thing about the judgments of God that await this deeply corrupted nation and world. That is the pinnacle of your hopes, and by far the most vain. Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, or the power of God.

There is only one hope for any human – inside or outside of this little church – that God gives you repentance unto salvation. We pray that the Lord will do just that for any of our enemies whom he has predestined to eternal life. And for those who are truly the enemies of God – ordained of old to such a condemnation – we pray his righteous wrath and vengeance, wherein we rejoice.

Repent, for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand!

Amen

I find it amusing how many doctrines of the Catholic Church they find it worthwhile to touch on in such a situation, while, remember, they say they're not having any funeral. Maybe they think they're better than funerals or whatever. Apparently they thought of Fred as their quasi-pope. Ironically, the current Catholic Pope is named Frank.

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poche · « **Reply #6 on:** March 20, 2014, 10:27:08 PM »

May his soul and the souls of all the faithful departed rest in peace. Amen

crossbro · « **Reply #7 on:** March 20, 2014, 10:30:54 PM »

A lot of things can be said about Fred Phelps, one of them is that he was a better Christian with higher moral standards than Pope Francis.

ggreg · « **Reply #8 on:** March 21, 2014, 04:01:32 AM »

He was a great swimmer.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #9 on:** March 21, 2014, 07:20:24 AM »

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It's curious to see how much media attention the rainbow house across the street is getting. Some ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ activists live there, and they come out to talk to journalists and passers-by who seem to be wallowing in self-satisfaction that they're still alive when Fred Phelps isn't.

They're saying that he was really weird but he had a family and it shows the world how morally superior ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs are when they can still respect the family of Phelps even though Fred did not respect them.

So it boils down to the fαɢs taking the high road and gloating down 'from above' at the lowly Westboro Baptists, as 'fag-haters'.

That's the message that's making the rounds.

There is a huge banner with the web address godhatesamerica.com hanging on the gable end of the church -- the web address turns up nothing but "Server not found."

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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #10 on:** March 21, 2014, 07:29:24 AM »

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Another poche oxymoron:

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May his soul and the souls of all the faithful departed rest in peace. Amen

The problem is, Fred Phelps was a hater not only of Sodomites (which isn't so terrible, really) but also of everything the Catholic Church stands for (now that's a problem).

One of his proud banners drags the name of St. Patrick through the mud, so he also hated St. Patrick as much as he hated Sodomites. Is that fine with you? He was utterly contemptuous of the authority of the Church, and of all Apostolic Tradition, including the Mass, the Sacraments, the Priesthood, papal infallibility, the Immaculate Conception, &c.

So you really can't call him one of the faithful departed.

He is perhaps better recognized as one of the UNfaithful departed.

He would not be eligible for burial in a Catholic cemetery, for example.

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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #11 on:** March 21, 2014, 07:44:43 AM »

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Something that emerges in all of this is the overall ignorance of people today of how deleterious Sodomy is to all of society.

The rainbow house across the street and the estranged Phelps family members that have been embarrassed of their grandfather, join in a collective ignorance of what horror the sin of Sodom really is.

It's all "tolerance" and "mutual respect" and "compassion" and "charity."

Well, suborning the sins of Sodomites is not charity.

They are corrupting the word "charity" before our very eyes.

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Ladislaus · « **Reply #12 on:** March 21, 2014, 07:51:52 AM »

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Another poche oxymoron:

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May his soul and the souls of all the faithful departed rest in peace. Amen

Seriously. How can you possibly quote that about this guy? Oh, right, perhaps he was saved by his sincerity (Faith of Desire).

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #13 on:** March 21, 2014, 08:25:57 AM »

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Another poche oxymoron:

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May his soul and the souls of all the faithful departed rest in peace. Amen

Seriously. How can you possibly quote that about this guy? Oh, right, perhaps he was saved by his sincerity (Faith of Desire).

You know, ironically, the fαɢs across the street in that rainbow house would then be 'saved' by their 'sincerity' too. Just imagine them all 'getting along' in their 'paradise' forever and ever..................

What a wonderful world it would be where the mentally unstable reside.

That's an old saying I just made up.

RE: Spike Jones: "They're coming to take me away ha-ha, they're coming to take me away, ho-ho, to the funny farm, where life is beautiful all the time, and the men in the starched white shirts are coming to take me away.................."

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alaric · « **Reply #14 on:** March 21, 2014, 05:48:51 PM »

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He would not be eligible for burial in a Catholic cemetery, for example.

But a"faithful" Catholic sodomite would.

How convenient. :rolleyes: