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Offline Last Tradhican

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Personal Opinions about the Faith are a Sign of Laziness
« on: February 22, 2018, 05:50:32 PM »
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    • The Church is now over 2000 years old, if anyone is going to come here and post their personal opinions, think again, you are just shining a light on your own fallen lazy nature. Instead of posting here your personal opinions, take the time to study the matter first, and learn first hand what the Church has always taught.

    Even worse, some of these people who post their personal opinions actually debate and defend their position when confronted with the Church teaching on the subject. That type will never learn anything new.
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    Re: Personal Opinions about the Faith are a Sign of Laziness
    « Reply #1 on: February 23, 2018, 10:30:25 AM »
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    • If I were cast off to a deserted island and allowed only one book, what would that book be? That book is the first book that every Catholic should have once they begin to ask questions to themselves. Of course one book is never enough to learn the faith, but this is a book which every real Catholic must have. Here is the book, do not think this is a normal bible, you must buy only this Haydock bible because it is sometimes as much as 80% explanations of the scriptures by the Fathers of the Church, there is no other Douay-Rheims like it.:

    I have the paperback edition printed by Catholic Treasures in two volumes OldT and NewT. Here's the secret to getting it cheap, the ISBN number. I have the bibles in hand and looked it up under the ISBN, and found the New Testament for $7.25. I'd get that one first. It's the one that I use the most.

    New Testament ISBN 0-9620994-3-0 (here it is for $7.25 http://www.bestwebbuys.com/books/compare/isbn/0-9620994-3-0

    The NT volume runs from page 1235 to page 1659

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    Old Testament ISBN 0-9620994-4-9

    The OldT The NT volume runs from page 1 to page 1235
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    The set also included a third volume which is titled: An Illustrated and Comprehensive Catholic Bible Dictionary . It also contains A comprehesive History of the Books of The Holy Catholic Bible (I hardly never use this dictionary and history)  ISBN 0-9620994-2-2

    184 pages




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    Re: Personal Opinions about the Faith are a Sign of Laziness
    « Reply #2 on: February 23, 2018, 10:38:03 AM »
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    • The other, more important "book" is to always seek truth, even if it goes against what we like. As long as one is honest with themselves, that is, they are willing to give up everything they love for the sake of truth, they will continue to be enlightened by God. If one holds onto JUST ONE "white rabbit", they will receive NOTHING from God and will go though life blind. 


    What follows is a story that my wife heard in an SSPX retreat in Ridgefield in 1999. I have not found it online and so I introduce it here as I remember it:
     
    Johnnie and His Little White Rabbit
     
    "The father of the house came home and called all his children together. He then told them if they gathered up all of their toys, every single last one of them, and gave them away to the poor, that he would then buy them new toys, much more toys, and better toys. However, they had to give away every single toy or else they would not get anything.
     
    The next day the father came home and found a big pile of toys stacked in the living room. He asked the children; is that all the toys, every single last one of them? All the children answered yes, but Johnnie. Johnnie was holding his hands behind his back. His father asked him, Johnnie, did you put all your toys in the pile? Johnnie answered yes, father. The father asked him, Johnnie, what do you have behind your back, show me your hands. Then Johnnie showed his little white stuffed rabbit, his favorite companion. His father said, Johnnie, remember, in order to get  the new toys, much more toys than you have now, better toys, you have to give everything away, everything Johnnie. Johnnie answered back, no Daddy, not my little white rabbit, no, I can’t give him away".

     
    (The father is Our Lord Jesus Christ, the toys are man’s earthly attachments which cause them to never receive sanctifying grace or to lose it. The new gifts are sanctifying grace and ultimately eternal bliss in Heaven)
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    Re: Personal Opinions about the Faith are a Sign of Laziness
    « Reply #3 on: February 23, 2018, 12:51:22 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on February 23, 2018, 10:38:03 AM
    The other, more important "book" is to always seek truth, even if it goes against what we like. As long as one is honest with themselves, that is, they are willing to give up everything they love for the sake of truth, they will continue to be enlightened by God. If one holds onto JUST ONE "white rabbit", they will receive NOTHING from God and will go though life blind.


    What follows is a story that my wife heard in an SSPX retreat in Ridgefield in 1999. I have not found it online and so I introduce it here as I remember it:
     
    Johnnie and His Little White Rabbit
     
    "The father of the house came home and called all his children together. He then told them if they gathered up all of their toys, every single last one of them, and gave them away to the poor, that he would then buy them new toys, much more toys, and better toys. However, they had to give away every single toy or else they would not get anything.
     
    The next day the father came home and found a big pile of toys stacked in the living room. He asked the children; is that all the toys, every single last one of them? All the children answered yes, but Johnnie. Johnnie was holding his hands behind his back. His father asked him, Johnnie, did you put all your toys in the pile? Johnnie answered yes, father. The father asked him, Johnnie, what do you have behind your back, show me your hands. Then Johnnie showed his little white stuffed rabbit, his favorite companion. His father said, Johnnie, remember, in order to get  the new toys, much more toys than you have now, better toys, you have to give everything away, everything Johnnie. Johnnie answered back, no Daddy, not my little white rabbit, no, I can’t give him away".

     
    (The father is Our Lord Jesus Christ, the toys are man’s earthly attachments which cause them to never receive sanctifying grace or to lose it. The new gifts are sanctifying grace and ultimately eternal bliss in Heaven)
    I think I remember Fr Alphonsius Maria telling this story on one of his missionary visits to a SSPX chapel. It struck me very deeply.
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    Re: Personal Opinions about the Faith are a Sign of Laziness
    « Reply #4 on: March 03, 2018, 09:57:32 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on February 22, 2018, 05:50:32 PM
    The Church is now over 2000 years old, if anyone is going to come here and post their personal opinions, think again, you are just shining a light on your own fallen lazy nature. Instead of posting here your personal opinions, take the time to study the matter first, and learn first hand what the Church has always taught.
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    Re: Personal Opinions about the Faith are a Sign of Laziness
    « Reply #5 on: March 03, 2018, 10:10:17 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on February 23, 2018, 10:30:25 AM
    If I were cast off to a deserted island and allowed only one book, what would that book be? 


    A book on shipbuilding.
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    Re: Personal Opinions about the Faith are a Sign of Laziness
    « Reply #6 on: March 03, 2018, 10:44:26 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marlelar on March 03, 2018, 10:10:17 PM

    A book on shipbuilding.

    :laugh1:

    Now, this is my kind of humour, thanks for the laugh!
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    Re: Personal Opinions about the Faith are a Sign of Laziness
    « Reply #7 on: March 08, 2018, 06:44:51 PM »
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    • saints have had their own opinions about Church teachings. Like on the teaching of the Atonement. The Church has always believed in the fact that Jesus dies for our sins, but the "details" of this teaching have changed dramatically through Church history.

    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02055a.htm

    Also, St. Thomas Aquinas had his own opinions on things. For hundreds of years unbaptized babies suffered in eternal fire, but then with Thomas Aquinas they suddenly enjoyed some sort of natural happiness in limbo.
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    Re: Personal Opinions about the Faith are a Sign of Laziness
    « Reply #8 on: March 08, 2018, 06:56:22 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mercyandjustice on March 08, 2018, 06:44:51 PM
    saints have had their own opinions about Church teachings. 
    I hope you are not comparing the personal opinions of posters on CI with those of saints. Saints are saints because their actions and teachings have stood the test of time. However, an oddball opinion by a saint does not make doctrine:

    St. Vincent de Lerins :
    Now in the Catholic Church itself we take the greatest care to hold that which has been believed everywhere, always and by all. That is truly and properly 'Catholic,' as is shown by the very force and meaning of the word, which comprehends everything almost universally. We shall hold to this rule if we follow universality [i.e. oecuмenicity], antiquity, and consent. We shall follow universality if we acknowledge that one Faith to be true which the whole Church throughout the world confesses; antiquity if we in no wise depart from those interpretations which it is clear that our ancestors and fathers proclaimed; consent, if in antiquity itself we keep following the definitions and opinions of all, or certainly nearly all, bishops and doctors alike." (The "Vincentian Canon", AD 434)

     
    The Fathers of the Church are only a definite witness to Tradition when expressing a point held universally and constantly or when expressing something that is in line with defined dogma. Taken individually or even in multiplicity, they can be dead wrong and this is why Catholics don’t form definite doctrinal conclusions from the teaching of a Father of the Church or a handful of Fathers; a Catholic goes by the infallible teaching of the Church proclaimed by the popes; and a Catholic accents to the teaching of the Fathers of the Church when they are in universal and constant agreement from the beginning and in line with Catholic dogmatic teaching.
     
    Pope Benedict XIV, Apostolica , June 26, 1749:
    “The Church’s judgment is preferable to that of a Doctor renowned for his holiness and teaching.”
     
    Errors of the Jansenists, : “When anyone finds a doctrine clearly established in Augustine, he can absolutely hold it and teach it, disregarding any bull of the pope.” Condemned by Pope Alexander VIII
     
     
    Pope Pius XII, Humani generis , Aug. 12, 1950: “This deposit of faith our Divine Redeemer has given for authentic interpretation not to each of the faithful, not even to theologians, but only to the Teaching Authority of the Church".

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