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You have "trads" in Novus Ordo and in SSPX who know that their priests are heretics and go there anyway for the sacraments.  This must be a new phenomenon, and is radically different than how Catholics acted during the Arian crisis.

Or during the French revolution.  Take the Vianney family, for instance.  When they learned that their priest had taken the oath to the new constitution, they left their formerly Catholic parish immediately.

How much more so should we flee those who have taken oaths of obedience to Benedict XVI and his predecessors, who have all promulgated and formally accepted Vatican II?  Or likewise any prelates who accept, support or defend the American Constitution?

The Eucharist is confected, but instead of bringing you grace, it may redound to your dishonor.

If you know that he's a heretic?  Absolutely it will.  It is like receiving the body of Christ and sacrificing it to satan.

As for confession, heretics can't absolve sins.  Heretics are not in the Church.  God MAY absolve sins through them, through your contrition

Only if you are invincibly ignorant that your prelate is a heretic.

To just assume we are forgiven without confession, even if we have perfect contrition, could be fatal.  It is presumption and offensive to the Church that Christ founded.  But to avoid a heretical priest is not anything like that, and it is disturbing that people these days will go to Mass with anyone in a cassock.

Roger that.

CM said:

How much more so should we flee those who have taken oaths of obedience to Benedict XVI and his predecessors, who have all promulgated and formally accepted Vatican II?  Or likewise any prelates who accept, support or defend the American Constitution?

That brings up something I've been meaning to ask -- would you have been a home-aloner in say, 1890, if you lived in America and all the priests accepted the separation of Church and state?  How about if you lived in France during the reign of Louis XIV and all the clergy were Gallican?  

I say "yes" to the former, "no" to the latter, because Gallicanism only borders on heresy to me.  It's more a lack of disciplinary obedience than spiritual obedience and the priests would be the ones who are judged for it, not the laity.

I just read cuм Ex Apostolatus Officio and forget about the Council of Basel -- that one makes the home-alone position ESSENTIAL in our day, as I see it, and I'm sure as you see it CM.

All I have to do is figure out BoD at long last, that is the last hurdle, and then get a job delivering pizzas or whatever while waiting for the country to crash. I'm feeling pretty confident now that I have the right approach to the crisis, and that God has given me a chance to be saved, although I doubt there's any way to escape a long haul in Purgatory, and I'll be extremely lucky to even get there.

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The Eucharist is confected, but instead of bringing you grace, it may redound to your dishonor.

If you know that he's a heretic?  Absolutely it will.  It is like receiving the body of Christ and sacrificing it to satan.

If you are walking past a Church and inside a priest is about to use a validly consecrated host for a black Mass and you are able to steal the truly consecrated host from him, are you sacrificing it to Satan by consuming it in order to prevent it being used in an abusive way?

That is not stealing.  If one can rescue the Lord from His captors, I will not say it is a duty, but it is not forbidden.

But can you go kneel before the heretic or commune with him in his profane rites to do so?  No.  You cannot even give the appearance that you are a member of his sect.