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Offline Matthew

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« on: November 19, 2015, 10:46:52 PM »
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  • I like the *idea* but I hate the Protestant names of all the books.

    Has anyone noticed that mainstream Catholic Bibles now completely agree (in terms of book names) with the Protestants? Sure, they might have a few extra books than a protestant bible. They might have less heresy and deliberate mistranslations. But they still call the last book "Revelation".

    Anything to get along with our "separated brethren", eh?

    I prefer the Douay-Rheims renditions of these Hebrew names/books of the Bible.
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    « Reply #1 on: November 19, 2015, 10:49:36 PM »
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  • Here is the graphic:

    It's Paralipomenon, not Chronicles
    Apocalypse, not Revelation
    1-4 Kings, not 1-2 Samuel and 1-2 Kings
    Osee, not Hosea
    Tobias, not Tobit
    Esdras, not Ezra
    and others.
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    « Reply #2 on: November 20, 2015, 01:49:30 AM »
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  • The Novus Ordo apes the defection of the Pharisees. The neo-Pharisees of the Novus Ordo make the defection of the Pharisees into a biblical type.

    Offline Neil Obstat

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    « Reply #3 on: November 20, 2015, 02:22:55 AM »
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    Has anyone noticed that mainstream Catholic Bibles now completely agree (in terms of book names) with the Protestants? Sure, they might have a few extra books than a protestant bible. They might have less heresy and deliberate mistranslations. But they still call the last book "Revelation".

    Anything to get along with our "separated brethren", eh?
    ...

    It's Paralipomenon, not Chronicles
    Apocalypse, not Revelation
    1-4 Kings, not 1-2 Samuel and 1-2 Kings
    Osee, not Hosea
    Tobias, not Tobit
    Esdras, not Ezra
    and others.

    The recent editions called Catholic make several concessions toward the Protestants, besides the names of the books like you have noted.  

    So-called new Catholic editions have adopted the Protestant numbering of the Psalms, for example, such that a given Psalm according to the King James will generally be off by one;  a typical example being "the 23rd Psalm, The LORD is my shepherd;  I shall not want.  He maketh me to lie down in green pastures... He restoreth my soul..."  

    In the Douay-Rheims, that's Psalm 22, and the words are different:  "The Lord ruleth me: and I shall want nothing.  He hath set me in a place of pasture... He hath converteth my soul..."  I guess Prots don't like the idea of their soul being converted by God.  They'd rather God just "restore" them.

    Psalms 1-8 are numbered the same, but 9 is split into two (they say it was "too long"), so that 10 becomes 11, and up to around 100 they're one ahead in the new editions.  Then other changes are introduced to make the numbers two off for a while, then later one off again and finally ending up with Psalm 150 being the same, such that the Protestant (and new "Catholic") end up with 150 total.  This makes for difficulties in finding text when you have the wrong number.

    One prominent example is Psalm 95:5, "For all the gods of the Gentiles are devils..."  The Prot version is Psalm 96:5 and says, "For all the gods of the peoples are worthless idols..."  More on "idols" later.

    There are 3 major spots in Bibles to check for Catholicity:  Genesis 3:15,  Isaias 7:14, and Luke 1:28.  They all are in regards to Our Lady, which the Protestants dispute, of course.  

    Genesis 3:15 - ...She shall crush thy head and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel.
    Isaias  7:14 - Behold a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and his name shall be called Emmanuel....
    Luke 1:28 - ...Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee.

    That's the Catholic ones.  The Prot versions have several different wordings, which generally shortchange the role of the Virgin Mother of God:

    King James Version (KJV)
    Gen 3:15 -  And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

    The Scriptures (ISR 1998)
    Isaiah 7:15 -  Look, the maiden conceives and gives birth to a Son...

    New International Version (NIV)
    Luke 1:28 -  “...Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you.”

    While the KJV is fairly accurate in the places where the OT has the Ten Commandments, in their Bible Study classes they have re-grouped the 10 to make the First Commandment into two (like with Psalm 9) and then re-combining the Ninth and Tenth Commandments into one so they end up with 10, not 11 Commandments.  

    The purpose of that sly move is to criticize Catholics for having statues and stained glass windows in church, giving the iconoclasts an excuse to smash them all.  For they say the "second commandment" is Thou Shalt Not Make Any Graven Image..."  That's where they say Catholics worship false idols, like marble and bronze sculptures, oil paintings and other fine art.  Of course, Protestants have no problem going to the J. Paul Getty Museum and oggling a Van Gogh they bought for $58 million.  That's ART, not "worship."

    That changes Commandments 2-9 by one number (2 -> 3, 3 -> 4...), such that nobody knows anymore what you're talking about when you say "the fourth commandment" or the 5th or the 6th or the 8th or the 9th.  For example, in Catholic sermons that refer to sins against the 6th and 9th Commandments, Protestants are utterly lost because they think that means "Thou Shalt Not Kill" and "Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness Against Thy Neighbor."


    Forgive me if this post is going into too much detail for the topic of book titles, but it seems to me that when you start to adopt the newfangled names of the Bible books, it is implied that you are likewise adopting the fine print contained under those changed titles.  

    While the KJV retains the same words in Isaias 7:14 as the Douay-Rheims, already there is the principle of CHANGE that is accepted and now we see, 400 years later, that all manner of changes have come to Bible editions, and change per se has become the norm.
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    Offline Neil Obstat

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    « Reply #4 on: November 20, 2015, 02:42:24 AM »
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    One website I found has a nice list of the Bible books and how the Catholic ones are different from the Protestant ones, in general (NOTICE that the order of these books is not how the "periodic table" above lists them - like, they have I and II Machabees in the middle not at the end of the OT):

    http://www.drbo.org/index.htm


    CATHOLIC                     PROTESTANT

    Old Testament
    Genesis
    Exodus
    Leviticus
    Numbers
    Deuteronomy
    Josue                             Joshua
    Judges
    Ruth
    1 Kings                          1 Samuel
    2 Kings                          2 Samuel
    3 Kings                          1 Kings
    4 Kings                          2 Kings
    1 Paralipomenon            1 Chronicles
    2 Paralipomenon            2 Chronicles
    1 Esdras                        Ezra
    2 Esdras                        Nehemiah
    Tobias *                        Tobit *
    Judith *
       

       
    Old Testament
    Esther
    Job
    Psalms
    Proverbs
    Ecclesiastes
    Canticles                       [Song of] Solomon
    Wisdom *
    Ecclesiasticus *
    Isaias                            Isaiah
    Jeremias                       Jeremiah
    Lamentations
    Baruch *
    Ezechiel                         Ezeckiel
    Daniel
    Osee                             Hosea
    Joel
    Amos
    Abdias                           Obadiah
    Jonas                            Jonah
    Micheas                         Micah
    Nahum
    Habacuc                        Habakkuk
    Sophonias                     Zephaniah
    Aggeus                         Haggai
    Zacharias                      Zachariah
    Malachias                      Malachi
    1 Machabees *
    2 Machabees *
       
     
       
    New Testament
    Matthew
    Mark
    Luke
    John
    Acts of Apostles
    Romans
    1 Corinthians
    2 Corinthians
    Galatians
    Ephesians
    Philippians
    Colossians
    1 Thessalonians
    2 Thessalonians
    1 Timothy
    2 Timothy
    Titus
    Philemon
    Hebrews
    James
    1 Peter
    2 Peter
    1 John
    2 John
    3 John
    Jude
    Apocalypse / Revelation
     
    *  One of the seven Deutero-Canonical books, missing from most non-Catholic Bibles.
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    « Reply #5 on: November 20, 2015, 03:17:49 AM »
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  • Martin Luther wanted to get rid of the Book of James also, like he got rid of those OT books he didn't like under the excuse that some of the Jews at the time of Christ had excluded them.  But when it came to James, he had no such excuse since those old Jews rejected ALL of the NT, therefore he adopted their principle, to selectively expel books that contain things you don't agree with.  


    James, chapter two:

    Quote from: Jas. ii

    [14] What shall it profit, my brethren, if a man say he hath faith, but hath not works? Shall faith be able to save him? [15] And if a brother or sister be naked, and want daily food:

    [16] And one of you say to them: Go in peace, be ye warmed and filled; yet give them not those things that are necessary for the body, what shall it profit? [17] So faith also, if it have not works, is dead in itself.




    He didn't like that because it conflicted with his "salvation by faith alone" and his rejection of the spiritual value of works.

    In the end, his friends convinced him that he would lose credibility by casting out a book of the New Testament, so he left it alone, reluctantly.  Maybe that's why we still have Protestants?
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    « Reply #6 on: November 20, 2015, 10:01:33 AM »
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  • Having read Dr. E. Michael Jones' latest tome, Barren Metal: A History of Capitalism as the Conflict between Labor and Usury, I am convinced that the Protestant Deformation was as much about looting Church property and defaulting on Catholic usurers (especially the Fuggers) as it was about their man-made theology.

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    « Reply #7 on: November 20, 2015, 01:23:48 PM »
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  • How do you pronounce Paralipomenon?

    And is Baruch with a hard /ch/ at the end or is it /sh/ or /k/?  Accent on the first syllable or the last?


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    « Reply #8 on: November 23, 2015, 11:56:42 AM »
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    How do you pronounce Paralipomenon?

    And is Baruch with a hard /ch/ at the end or is it /sh/ or /k/?  Accent on the first syllable or the last?


    These are Greek.

    So it's Paralee-pomee-non and Baruch, with a /k/ (hard c.), Bah-rook (oo as in moo)



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    « Reply #9 on: November 24, 2015, 03:43:30 AM »
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    How do you pronounce Paralipomenon?

    And is Baruch with a hard /ch/ at the end or is it /sh/ or /k/?  Accent on the first syllable or the last?

    These are Greek.

    So it's Paralee-pomee-non and Baruch, with a /k/ (hard c.), Bah-rook (oo as in moo)


    I hope your seven children know how fortunate they are to have you for their mother.

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    « Reply #10 on: November 25, 2015, 05:38:30 PM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
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    How do you pronounce Paralipomenon?

    And is Baruch with a hard /ch/ at the end or is it /sh/ or /k/?  Accent on the first syllable or the last?

    These are Greek.

    So it's Paralee-pomee-non and Baruch, with a /k/ (hard c.), Bah-rook (oo as in moo)


    I hope your seven children know how fortunate they are to have you for their mother.

    .


    Thank you Neil.

    I hope they know how fortunate I am to have them for my children.  

    But I am a convert, so I had to re-learn everything.  I am just glad I can pass it on to my children so they don't have to be as lost as I was.  


     

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