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Re: Penalty for Adultery
« Reply #30 on: November 03, 2019, 09:18:54 PM »
OK. Why bring up Ibranyi? Are you just being a troll? He is like the most extreme example and someone everyone, even most home-aloners thinks is crazy. I can see that adultery in justice deserves death. But I don't think it would work in the current world. We would have to kill too many people. And I think there would also be false accusations so that many innocent people would be killed. I don't see how one could prove adultery adequately unless a bastard child was conceived and there were DNA tests. But then the women could always claim rape in an effort to save their own lives. Witnesses could lie and for such a grave offense is it prudent to believe a witness over a matter of life and death?

Re: Penalty for Adultery
« Reply #31 on: November 03, 2019, 09:53:42 PM »
I think the issue people have isn't so much with the principle of the thing as with Flavius' cocky self-righteous attitude ... and his bombastic condemnation, as if he himself were without sin.  I can see the guy being one of the potential stone throwers to whom Our Lord insisted that the one who is without sin should cast the first stone.  Flavius would have jumped to the front of the line, since he obviously imagines himself to be above the sinner, and looks down on them through his nose.  Were it not for the grace of God, so would we all go.

Some people (like the Pharisees condemned by Our Lord) condemn the sinner primarily in order to make themselves feel superior to them.  Even if it were required in justice, any true Christian would only execute such a one with the heaviest heart ... whereas one can easily imagine Flavius dancing for joy as he pulled the switch personally.  Notice how Our Lord had compassion on those who sinned from weakness ... but reserved His harshest condemnations for the Pharisees and their self-righteousness.  I would rather spent my time in the company of a contrite fallen adulterer than someone like Flabius.
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THIS! Is the problem with Flavius. He comes across as incredibly self-centered, almost to insinuate that he himself is sinless.


Re: Penalty for Adultery
« Reply #32 on: November 04, 2019, 06:38:03 AM »
Flavius Petrus Sabbatius, have you fantasized about being a serial killer who preys on females?

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Re: Penalty for Adultery
« Reply #33 on: November 04, 2019, 07:59:48 AM »
Compared to Richard Ibranyi who threatens to kill others (including Bishop Fellay) in his lectures and issues ecclesiastical penances, what I am doing is relatively minor. All I am pointing out is the penalty for a certain crime and suggesting that it would be a good thing if it were carried out.

Well, that's like saying if I murder a single person, then it's relatively minor compared to the work of a serial killer.  In any case, I have no problem with someone making the case that the death penalty should be instituted for adultery, in principle, even though I disagree with it for the reasons stated.  It's that I have found your tone to be very disturbing.  Yes, we know that adultery is a grave sin.  But can you find no room in your heart to have compassion to someone who may have sinned out of weakness?  

Do you reject Our Lord's compassionate rescue of the adultress as inappropriate?  Don't you think that He was speaking precisely to people of your mindset when he said that the one without sin should cast the first stone?  In strict, justice, man, every mortal sin deserves the death penalty ... and not just adultery.  But then we'd have to wipe out all but the smallest fraction of humanity.

Re: Penalty for Adultery
« Reply #34 on: November 04, 2019, 01:06:31 PM »
Flavius Petrus Sabbatius, have you fantasized about being a serial killer who preys on females?

Why would you ask such a ridiculous question as this?