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Offline Flavius Petrus Sabbatius

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Penalty for Adultery
« on: November 01, 2019, 07:01:02 PM »
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    • What is the opinion among those here on the just penalty for adultery? Do you believe that capital punishment should be given to those who have committed this crime?

    I personally believe that death can serve to manifest the justice of the Lord and to act as a deterrent for this horrible act. Even before the Mosaic covenant, the holy patriarch Joseph described adultery as a "wicked thing" and a "sin against my God" (Genesis XXXIX, 9). He knew the evil of adultery. I believe that God expressed His disgust for adultery by demanding a penalty which is placed on blasphemy, sodomy, incest, and bestiality (Leviticus XX, 10). 

    Pope Sixtus V seemed to highly favour the death penalty for adultery. He forbade judges to give them any quarter and promised rewards for bringing action against them.
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    Offline Maria Regina

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    Re: Penalty for Adultery
    « Reply #1 on: November 01, 2019, 09:49:00 PM »
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    • Quote from: Flavius Petrus Sabbatius on November 01, 2019, 07:01:02 PM
    What is the opinion among those here on the just penalty for adultery? Do you believe that capital punishment should be given to those who have committed this crime?

    I personally believe that death can serve to manifest the justice of the Lord and to act as a deterrent for this horrible act. Even before the Mosaic covenant, the holy patriarch Joseph described adultery as a "wicked thing" and a "sin against my God" (Genesis XXXIX, 9). He knew the evil of adultery. I believe that God expressed His disgust for adultery by demanding a penalty which is placed on blasphemy, sodomy, incest, and bestiality (Leviticus XX, 10).

    Pope Sixtus V seemed to highly favour the death penalty for adultery. He forbade judges to give them any quarter and promised rewards for bringing action against them.


    In the morning I put to death all the wicked of the land: that I might cut off all the workers of iniquity from the city of the Lord.

    Is this why many or most criminals are executed around 1 or 2 AM?

    Adultery is almost considered "normal" behavior today. In the USA, many of our congressmen, congresswomen and Senators have admitted to committing acts of adultery or fornication. Yet even worse, some Republicans say that we should not be concerned with what goes on in the bedroom or hotel rooms as long as it is with full consent. Many of these politicians resign, but some still stay in office and continue to be reelected by a wicked populace that has been brainwashed by the media.
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    Offline ByzCat3000

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    Re: Penalty for Adultery
    « Reply #2 on: November 02, 2019, 04:51:40 PM »
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    • I think theoretically maximum of death, but that the victimized spouse should get a say in it.
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Penalty for Adultery
    « Reply #3 on: November 02, 2019, 05:42:18 PM »
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    • If the husband/father commits adultery, what would you do, have him killed or jailed ... and thereby leave the family without financial support?  So the wife and children effectively get punished twice, once by the adultery and a second time by the elimination of the husband/father.

    If the wife/mother commits adultery, then the husband and children are punished because now the father becomes a single father and the children have no mother.

    So, no, I don't think it's appropriate at all.

    Some other penalty could surely be conceived that would punish the perpetrator without re-punishing the victims.
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    Re: Penalty for Adultery
    « Reply #4 on: November 02, 2019, 05:44:04 PM »
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    • Look at St. Joseph's attitude toward Our Lady when it appeared to him as if she had been unfaithful.
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    Re: Penalty for Adultery
    « Reply #5 on: November 02, 2019, 05:52:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on November 02, 2019, 05:44:04 PM
    Look at St. Joseph's attitude toward Our Lady when it appeared to him as if she had been unfaithful.
    Well that's why I said it should be the victim's choice.  Obviously St Joseph's attitude would have been during the OT, when death theoretically *was* an option for the crime.  
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    Re: Penalty for Adultery
    « Reply #6 on: November 02, 2019, 07:28:21 PM »
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    • Christ's attitude when He confronted the woman accused of adultery is the proper attitude.

    When the people wanted to stone her, He asked the person without sin to toss the first stone.
    Then he knelt on the ground supposedly writing the sins of all in the dirt. She was spared
    because Christ, the Sinless One, did not toss a stone against her either.

    Then Christ admonished her to go and sin no more.

    We should be encouraging people to repent much like Christ, St. John the Baptist,
    and the Dominican friar, Savonarola.
    All three men listed above were executed.
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    Offline Flavius Petrus Sabbatius

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    Re: Penalty for Adultery
    « Reply #7 on: November 02, 2019, 07:46:34 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on November 02, 2019, 05:42:18 PM
    If the husband/father commits adultery, what would you do, have him killed or jailed ... and thereby leave the family without financial support?  So the wife and children effectively get punished twice, once by the adultery and a second time by the elimination of the husband/father.

    If the wife/mother commits adultery, then the husband and children are punished because now the father becomes a single father and the children have no mother.

    So, no, I don't think it's appropriate at all.

    Some other penalty could surely be conceived that would punish the perpetrator without re-punishing the victims.
    Would your response be the same if the father were to commit murder or sodomy? The fact that one has a family should not excuse that person from the temporal consequences that follow. Where is the justice of God in allowing these workers of iniquity to live?

    The family should submit to the will of God in having certain crimes punished with death.
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    Re: Penalty for Adultery
    « Reply #8 on: November 02, 2019, 09:37:38 PM »
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    • Quote from: Flavius Petrus Sabbatius on November 02, 2019, 07:46:34 PM
    Would your response be the same if the father were to commit murder or sodomy? The fact that one has a family should not excuse that person from the temporal consequences that follow. Where is the justice of God in allowing these workers of iniquity to live?

    The family should submit to the will of God in having certain crimes punished with death.
    Murder and sodomy are not adultery.
    Capital punishment is not temporal.
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    Re: Penalty for Adultery
    « Reply #9 on: November 02, 2019, 11:22:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: Flavius Petrus Sabbatius on November 02, 2019, 07:46:34 PM

    Where is the justice of God in allowing these workers of iniquity to live?

    The justice of God is where it has always been: inseparable from God, its Author. Need you be reminded that we have it on the highest authority that God's justice is not like man's?

    Your patent desire to spill blood for a transgression that Our Lord Himself responded to with uncompromising disapproval leavened with persuasive mercy is redolent more of Islamic savagery than of an attitude appropriate to a Catholic.
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    Re: Penalty for Adultery
    « Reply #10 on: November 03, 2019, 12:43:47 AM »
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    • Flavius, your thinking resembles jihadist Islam more than it does Catholicism. It's scary.
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    Offline Flavius Petrus Sabbatius

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    Re: Penalty for Adultery
    « Reply #11 on: November 03, 2019, 01:04:59 AM »
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    • Quote from: JezusDeKoning on November 03, 2019, 12:43:47 AM
    Flavius, your thinking resembles jihadist Islam more than it does Catholicism. It's scary.
    So would you describe Pope Sixtus V as a jihadist for having adulterers beheaded?
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    Re: Penalty for Adultery
    « Reply #12 on: November 03, 2019, 01:33:56 AM »
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    • Quote from: Flavius Petrus Sabbatius on November 03, 2019, 01:04:59 AM
    So would you describe Pope Sixtus V as a jihadist for having adulterers beheaded?
    Is there a partular personage that you would like so see beheaded? It's seems that this is personal matter for me.
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    Re: Penalty for Adultery
    « Reply #13 on: November 03, 2019, 01:49:40 AM »
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    • Quote from: claudel on November 02, 2019, 11:22:39 PM
    The justice of God is where it has always been: inseparable from God, its Author. Need you be reminded that we have it on the highest authority that God's justice is not like man's?

    Your patent desire to spill blood for a transgression that Our Lord Himself responded to with uncompromising disapproval leavened with persuasive mercy is redolent more of Islamic savagery than of an attitude appropriate to a Catholic.
    Emperor Charlemagne issued the Capitulatio de partibus Saxoniae upon the Saxons. Capital punishment was used for those who ate flesh during Lent, cremated bodies, withheld themselves from receiving baptism, and showed unfaithfulness to the king. These are relatively minor compared to the heinous crime of adultery. The history of Christendom is filled with countless examples of the secular arm carrying out executions. Do you not believe that adultery causes enough of an offence to God and to society that it merits death?

    Capital punishment is a duty for Christian princes to manifest the justice of God and to deter future transgressors.
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    Re: Penalty for Adultery
    « Reply #14 on: November 03, 2019, 01:51:08 AM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on November 03, 2019, 01:33:56 AM
    Is there a partular personage that you would like so see beheaded? It's seems that this is personal matter for me.
    Not at all. I would hope that adultery would never be committed.
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