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Offline Matto

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Re: Penalty for Adultery
« Reply #30 on: November 03, 2019, 09:18:54 PM »
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  • OK. Why bring up Ibranyi? Are you just being a troll? He is like the most extreme example and someone everyone, even most home-aloners thinks is crazy. I can see that adultery in justice deserves death. But I don't think it would work in the current world. We would have to kill too many people. And I think there would also be false accusations so that many innocent people would be killed. I don't see how one could prove adultery adequately unless a bastard child was conceived and there were DNA tests. But then the women could always claim rape in an effort to save their own lives. Witnesses could lie and for such a grave offense is it prudent to believe a witness over a matter of life and death?
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    Re: Penalty for Adultery
    « Reply #31 on: November 03, 2019, 09:53:42 PM »
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  • I think the issue people have isn't so much with the principle of the thing as with Flavius' cocky self-righteous attitude ... and his bombastic condemnation, as if he himself were without sin.  I can see the guy being one of the potential stone throwers to whom Our Lord insisted that the one who is without sin should cast the first stone.  Flavius would have jumped to the front of the line, since he obviously imagines himself to be above the sinner, and looks down on them through his nose.  Were it not for the grace of God, so would we all go.

    Some people (like the Pharisees condemned by Our Lord) condemn the sinner primarily in order to make themselves feel superior to them.  Even if it were required in justice, any true Christian would only execute such a one with the heaviest heart ... whereas one can easily imagine Flavius dancing for joy as he pulled the switch personally.  Notice how Our Lord had compassion on those who sinned from weakness ... but reserved His harshest condemnations for the Pharisees and their self-righteousness.  I would rather spent my time in the company of a contrite fallen adulterer than someone like Flabius.
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    THIS! Is the problem with Flavius. He comes across as incredibly self-centered, almost to insinuate that he himself is sinless.
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    Re: Penalty for Adultery
    « Reply #32 on: November 04, 2019, 06:38:03 AM »
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  • Flavius Petrus Sabbatius, have you fantasized about being a serial killer who preys on females?
    And the Lord said to me: A conspiracy is found among the men of Juda, and among the inhabitants of Jerusalem. They are returned to the former iniquities of their fathers, who refused to hear my words: so these likewise have gone after strange gods, to serve them: [...]
    - Jeremias 11:9-15

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    Re: Penalty for Adultery
    « Reply #33 on: November 04, 2019, 07:59:48 AM »
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  • Compared to Richard Ibranyi who threatens to kill others (including Bishop Fellay) in his lectures and issues ecclesiastical penances, what I am doing is relatively minor. All I am pointing out is the penalty for a certain crime and suggesting that it would be a good thing if it were carried out.

    Well, that's like saying if I murder a single person, then it's relatively minor compared to the work of a serial killer.  In any case, I have no problem with someone making the case that the death penalty should be instituted for adultery, in principle, even though I disagree with it for the reasons stated.  It's that I have found your tone to be very disturbing.  Yes, we know that adultery is a grave sin.  But can you find no room in your heart to have compassion to someone who may have sinned out of weakness?  

    Do you reject Our Lord's compassionate rescue of the adultress as inappropriate?  Don't you think that He was speaking precisely to people of your mindset when he said that the one without sin should cast the first stone?  In strict, justice, man, every mortal sin deserves the death penalty ... and not just adultery.  But then we'd have to wipe out all but the smallest fraction of humanity.

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    Re: Penalty for Adultery
    « Reply #34 on: November 04, 2019, 01:06:31 PM »
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  • Flavius Petrus Sabbatius, have you fantasized about being a serial killer who preys on females?

    Why would you ask such a ridiculous question as this?


    Offline Flavius Petrus Sabbatius

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    Re: Penalty for Adultery
    « Reply #35 on: November 04, 2019, 01:13:52 PM »
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  • Well, that's like saying if I murder a single person, then it's relatively minor compared to the work of a serial killer.  In any case, I have no problem with someone making the case that the death penalty should be instituted for adultery, in principle, even though I disagree with it for the reasons stated.  It's that I have found your tone to be very disturbing.  Yes, we know that adultery is a grave sin.  But can you find no room in your heart to have compassion to someone who may have sinned out of weakness?  

    Do you reject Our Lord's compassionate rescue of the adultress as inappropriate?  Don't you think that He was speaking precisely to people of your mindset when he said that the one without sin should cast the first stone?  In strict, justice, man, every mortal sin deserves the death penalty ... and not just adultery.  But then we'd have to wipe out all but the smallest fraction of humanity.

    If I would not have compassion on one who committed bestiality, incest, or murder, why would I have mercy towards someone who committed adultery? The Bible says that these people deserve to die. God is glorified through both mercy and justice. That is my view.

    I do not reject the Lord's rescue of the adulteress, I see it as a particular act of mercy given to one transgressor. How ridiculous would this be if it became the universal standard? Justice would become a mockery on earth. All mortal sins which have been punished with death in Christendom should continue to be dealt with in the same way.

    There should be no debate on this issue if you agree in principle that adulterers should be given capital punishment. My eager attitude should be irrelevant to the discussion.

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    Re: Penalty for Adultery
    « Reply #36 on: November 04, 2019, 03:48:41 PM »
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  • If I would not have compassion on one who committed bestiality, incest, or murder, why would I have mercy towards someone who committed adultery?

    And why would you not have compassion on those who committed these other sins?  All human beings are created in the image and likeness of God, and God desires their salvation, so we should grieve for all those who fall into sin ... regardless of the form that the sin took.  It is only by the grace of God that you yourself do not commit bestiality.  As all the saints realized that, except for the grace of God, there is no sin they were incapable of committing.

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    Re: Penalty for Adultery
    « Reply #37 on: November 04, 2019, 03:51:04 PM »
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  • There should be no debate on this issue if you agree in principle that adulterers should be given capital punishment. My eager attitude should be irrelevant to the discussion.

    No, I do not agree that adulterers should receive capital punishment ... for the reasons already stated, and your repugnant Pharisaical attitude is not irrelevant.


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    Re: Penalty for Adultery
    « Reply #38 on: November 04, 2019, 10:55:35 PM »
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  • And why would you not have compassion on those who committed these other sins?  All human beings are created in the image and likeness of God, and God desires their salvation, so we should grieve for all those who fall into sin ... regardless of the form that the sin took.  It is only by the grace of God that you yourself do not commit bestiality.  As all the saints realized that, except for the grace of God, there is no sin they were incapable of committing.

    I hate those who would commit such an act while understanding the total wickedness and evil of it. I have no compassion for those with such a hatred of the Lord in their blackened hearts. I rejoice in knowing that they will receive what they deserve both in this life and the next. 

    Have I not hated them, O Lord, that hated thee? And pine away because of thy enemies? I have hated them with a perfect hatred, and they are become enemies to me. (Psalm cxxxviii)

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    Re: Penalty for Adultery
    « Reply #39 on: November 05, 2019, 07:14:45 AM »
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  • I hate those who would commit such an act while understanding the total wickedness and evil of it. I have no compassion for those with such a hatred of the Lord in their blackened hearts. I rejoice in knowing that they will receive what they deserve both in this life and the next.

    YOU are the one with the blackened heart.  You should fear for your salvation.  Our Lord said that God will judge you with the same severity with which you judge others.

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    Re: Penalty for Adultery
    « Reply #40 on: November 05, 2019, 07:36:54 AM »
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  • I hate those who would commit such an act while understanding the total wickedness and evil of it. I have no compassion for those with such a hatred of the Lord in their blackened hearts. I rejoice in knowing that they will receive what they deserve both in this life and the next.

    Have I not hated them, O Lord, that hated thee? And pine away because of thy enemies? I have hated them with a perfect hatred, and they are become enemies to me. (Psalm cxxxviii)
    Why is a "subhuman incel", in his own words, so obsessed with adultery? You've already said you're never getting married. 


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    Re: Penalty for Adultery
    « Reply #41 on: November 05, 2019, 08:32:32 AM »
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  • I hate those who would commit such an act while understanding the total wickedness and evil of it. I have no compassion for those with such a hatred of the Lord in their blackened hearts. I rejoice in knowing that they will receive what they deserve both in this life and the next.

    Have I not hated them, O Lord, that hated thee? And pine away because of thy enemies? I have hated them with a perfect hatred, and they are become enemies to me. (Psalm cxxxviii)
    So, you keep bringing up psalms, this particular one in fact, was Written by an Adulterer, and murdered. Interesting.

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    Re: Penalty for Adultery
    « Reply #42 on: November 05, 2019, 08:37:32 AM »
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  • Why is a "subhuman incel", in his own words, so obsessed with adultery? You've already said you're never getting married.
    He’s 22 so still pretty young (says the 28 year old lol) and probably has witnessed some scandalous relatives, maybe even friends, who have hardened his heart to mercy. 

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    Re: Penalty for Adultery
    « Reply #43 on: November 05, 2019, 11:03:58 AM »
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  • Why is a "subhuman incel", in his own words, so obsessed with adultery? You've already said you're never getting married.

    Do you have to be married to have a view on adultery? It is clear that someone like me with a 2/10 face would never be married. 

    I simply wish to correct the attitude in many that adultery is minor compared to offences such as murder. Objectively it is much more heinous. Adulterers and adulteresses would have much to fear under a true Catholic state.

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    Re: Penalty for Adultery
    « Reply #44 on: November 05, 2019, 11:11:17 AM »
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  • Do you have to be married to have a view on adultery? It is clear that someone like me with a 2/10 face would never be married.

    I simply wish to correct the attitude in many that adultery is minor compared to offences such as murder. Objectively it is much more heinous. Adulterers and adulteresses would have much to fear under a true Catholic state.

    Adultery is "objectively more heinous" than murder?  With murder, you take away not only the rights they have towards their spouse (adultery) but their rights to everything, including their spouse.  You also could be in the position of consigning their souls to hell if they were not in a state of grace at the time, and depriving them of the opportunity to acquire eternal merit.