Firstly, the terms "full communion" (and partial communion) are novel terms; they have only existed in V2 era. They were invented to explain/threaten Traditionalists who were in "full communion" with ETERNAL ROME (i.e. 2,000 years of orthodoxy), but who are against CURRENT new-rome. In reality, new-rome is schismatic and heretical.
.New-rome wants everyone to be part of one, big, happy, ecuмenical, religious family. They just want the new-sspx to accept V2 IN GENERAL, and to be "quiet" about those issues where they disagree (similar to how most indult'ers don't criticize new-rome anymore).
.It would be wrong for a number of reasons.
1) Wrong because of scandal. V2 is a mix of truth and error. You cannot accept ANY amount of error, for any reason.
2) Wrong because of purpose. V2's purpose is to replace true Catholicism with a new humanistic, protestant version of Catholicism. To "accept" it, in any degree, is to join the new, one-world religion.
3) Wrong because of goal. All Traditionalists are doing what God wants them to do - to preserve the Faith. There's no reason to join new-rome, because the only outcome would be a compromise to one's Faith. All Traditionalists should stay with the status quo, until new-rome converts and we get a good pope elected. Joining new-rome is ѕυιcιdє.
.I don't know anything about that term, but yes, one cannot be excommunicated for ignoring a non-doctrine.
Thank you for helping me understand.
> Re full/partial communion:
>> I understand and it makes sense...
> Re what part of V.II Rome wants the SSPX to accept.
>> Ok. I see. So Rome has never listed specific items that cause SSPX to be outside communion with Rome? Correct? There is no docuмent that I can read where I can understand the dogmatic, doctrinal, liturgic, etc problems that Rome contests to SSPX. Am I right? There has never been a specific indictment beyond the excommunication for the nomination of four bishops. Am I correct?
> Re why would it be wrong to accept communion with V2 if V2 is not dogmatic/infallible.
>> Is "scandal" a term with specific canon value?
>> You mention that "you cannot accept ANY amount of error, for any reason" and I would agree re canon, dogma and infallible teachings but religious orders have been approaching our Faith from different perspectives, with different liturgies, with different doctrines and different precepts for a long time. When I was a child I remember that Dominicans and Jesuits (I my early days I was home schooled by a Jesuit) had a different (or additional) canons, different Mass liturgy, even different precepts (for example they would teach the Rosary in different ways). Deviations from non dogmatic and non infallible norms did not lead to sin and excommunication.
> Re wrong because of purpose.
>> I can see the valid motive: if you let them take a finger, they will take the whole arm and replace Cathlicism with a new religion. But a counter motive, perhaps just as valid, could be that, given the dire circuмstances, it is better to unite the clans to fight the elefant in the room and then, later on, sort out minor differences. This latter argument is valid only if the reply to my original question is: V2 was not dogmatic or an infallible teaching. This latter argument is only valid if V2 does not, ipso facto, change our Catholic religion into a new religion but it is its interpretation that is the danger.
> Re wrong because of goal.
>> I can preserve Faith if I do not violate canon, dogma, infallible teachings and, yet, I change liturgy and precepts. I am not saying that it is GOOD. I am saying that it is inappropriate but not illicit.
> Re consuetudine means "custom" rather than rule or legal clause. It implies that, by violating a custom, one does not breach the law or the rule. Violating a consuetudine can be inappropriate but not illegitimate. a woman not wearing a veil at Mass is not violating canon or doctrine. She is being inappropriate but she does not have to confess herself.
I think that my last paragraph, up here, defines my question better than my original post:
If, from either perspective (conciliary and traditionalist), a faithful is being only inappropriate, is not in sin and does not need to confess, then why can't either side accept the other side? More to the point, what I am trying to understand, is if I can live with a foot in both shoes. I want to practice and follow traditional Catholic precepts without aburing Rome. I love my Church as my mother and I cannot bring myself to abiure Her.
What challenges me, way more, than precepts and liturgy errors is that my grandfathre was a Pontifical Noble Guard and stood outside the conclave. He used to tell me that there had been a "big mess" and used to joke about a very popular Italian common expression that goes something like: "When a Pope dies a new one is created". He used to joke saying that: "When a Pope dies a new one is created until you get the one that you like". In 1984 I met Monsignor Charles-Roux (I went to a Rosminian school) who affirmed in no uncertain terms that J.XXIII was an impostor. At the time I was too young to understand or care...
But, here, in this post, I am focusing only and exclusively on trying to understand the dogma vs the non dogma aspect of V2.
Please, do not see my contestational tones as being aggressive or trying to pick a fight. I am TRULY going through immense internal dilemmas and doubts and I am seeking help.
I feel as if someone had woken me up, one morning, and told me that my mother is not my real mother... I need time, love and patience from my brothers not anger and frustration as I am not trying to troll or upset anyone, I am simply and honestly in a state of great pain and confusion and I am only seeking to unerstand.