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Traditional Catholic Faith => General Discussion => Topic started by: poche on May 26, 2013, 02:57:30 AM
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Pope Francis warned that some Christians establish the eighth sacrament “of pastoral customs” when they insist on protocol instead of seeking to meet spiritual needs.
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/dont-create-sacrament-of-pastoral-customs-pope-preaches/
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Pretty bad.
Pope Francis is coming off as compassionate but he wants us to lower our standards. That's not a good thing.
Soon he'll be saying "Love is Love and love don't matter if you are both guys as long as it's love."
Pope Francis isn't worried about some "eight" sacrament, he actually wants to remove a few of the Seven Sacraments.
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It's puzzling that strong materialists want to let life shift to invisible spiritual
confusion. We're men, not angels. One of the first things we were taught in catechism was that sacraments were an OUTWARD SIGN. Throw out the physical side and you have something left that gives mendacious people like this a chance to change the rules.
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He uses secretaries as examples a lot, I think I shall take umbrage on their behalf.
I didn't know secretaries were so powerful :confused1: that they alone would decide if a child could be baptized... I wonder what pastors do nowadays in the NO :clown:
Does Francis really think we are that stupid?
Marsha
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He uses secretaries as examples a lot, I think I shall take umbrage on their behalf.
I didn't know secretaries were so powerful :confused1: that they alone would decide if a child could be baptized... I wonder what pastors do nowadays in the NO :clown:
Does Francis really think we are that stupid?
Marsha
Secretaries work under the policies that their employers give them. If the pastor says soemthing is a requirement or an impediment then the secretary has to do what they're told to do.
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He uses secretaries as examples a lot, I think I shall take umbrage on their behalf.
I didn't know secretaries were so powerful :confused1: that they alone would decide if a child could be baptized... I wonder what pastors do nowadays in the NO :clown:
Does Francis really think we are that stupid?
Marsha
Secretaries work under the policies that their employers give them. If the pastor says soemthing is a requirement or an impediment then the secretary has to do what they're told to do.
I don't think it is as you say, poche, so much.
Novus Ordo pastors don't like to "rock the boat", so to speak. They allow parish secretaries to do just about anything because, ultimately, the priest will only be in a parish a short time while the secretary is permanent. Pastors are seldom appointed permanently anymore. The Conciliar Canon Law allows bishops to appoint pastors for a term of years and most bishops use that authority to keep pastors from getting "too familiar" with any one parish. They think they need flexibility with priestly assignments and don't want any one pastor to get to "powerful". The parish secretary, on the other hand, is the hired, and often almost permanent, bureaucrat. She had done what she has done for years and is a much more stable part of the parish than virtually any pastor who will likely be moved in a few years.
What do Novus Ordo pastors do nowadays? They go to meetings and retreats, they sit on committees, they discuss new pastoral methods, they learn how to "reach" young people, they learn about liturgical innovations, and they sign reports given them by the parish secretary.
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While there is a kernel of truth to at least part of this homily by the Pope, I find his style very, very hard to take.
Pope Francis seems to make semi-spontaneous observations that don't clearly have objects. Frankly, I am left with '...and what is your point?'
I can wring my hands about commonalities, too- and I hope my friends would slap me back into reason.
And what is the rationality in the Pope's case? Does he have any shred of appreciation for the autodestruction of the Church?
Making elementary observations that 'gatekeepers exist' and 'processes can get annoying' does not, to me, show that there is much of an understanding of what his Petrine office is.
He is father of princes and kings, the ruler of the world on earth, the vicar of our Savior Jesus Christ. Yet, I do see an appreciation, even a basic one, of a) the Four Last Things, b) there is a hell c) that is populated and d) given the state of affairs, the Church is in shambles.
If one is actually devoted to Fatima (really devoted I mean, not just superficially or in a dabbling sense, but actually makes real life choices taking it into account), I don't see such a man spouting statements that seem to be about nothing (though have a residue of rejecting 'stuffy rules and trappings.')
I don't mean disrespect to the Pope or to undermine him. Indeed, these homilies really bother me and meanwhile the Church is shedding more and more souls.
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While there is a kernel of truth to at least part of this homily by the Pope, I find his style very, very hard to take.
Pope Francis seems to make semi-spontaneous observations that don't clearly have objects. Frankly, I am left with '...and what is your point?'
I can wring my hands about commonalities, too- and I hope my friends would slap me back into reason.
And what is the rationality in the Pope's case? Does he have any shred of appreciation for the autodestruction of the Church?
Making elementary observations that 'gatekeepers exist' and 'processes can get annoying' does not, to me, show that there is much of an understanding of what his Petrine office is.
He is father of princes and kings, the ruler of the world on earth, the vicar of our Savior Jesus Christ. Yet, I do see an appreciation, even a basic one, of a) the Four Last Things, b) there is a hell c) that is populated and d) given the state of affairs, the Church is in shambles.
If one is actually devoted to Fatima (really devoted I mean, not just superficially or in a dabbling sense, but actually makes real life choices taking it into account), I don't see such a man spouting statements that seem to be about nothing (though have a residue of rejecting 'stuffy rules and trappings.')
I don't mean disrespect to the Pope or to undermine him. Indeed, these homilies really bother me and meanwhile the Church is shedding more and more souls.
You're not being disrespectful to the Pope - at all.
You are on to something. Keep going, keep reading and keep asking "What is he trying to tell us?"
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You said it theoden. Francis can only give us a kernel of truth. Listening to Francis is on par with listening to a Buddhist monk or any other non catholic. Sure, he'll say something true. But he won't say anything catholic.
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He uses secretaries as examples a lot, I think I shall take umbrage on their behalf.
I didn't know secretaries were so powerful :confused1: that they alone would decide if a child could be baptized... I wonder what pastors do nowadays in the NO :clown:
Does Francis really think we are that stupid?
Marsha
Secretaries work under the policies that their employers give them. If the pastor says soemthing is a requirement or an impediment then the secretary has to do what they're told to do.
I don't think it is as you say, poche, so much.
Novus Ordo pastors don't like to "rock the boat", so to speak. They allow parish secretaries to do just about anything because, ultimately, the priest will only be in a parish a short time while the secretary is permanent. Pastors are seldom appointed permanently anymore. The Conciliar Canon Law allows bishops to appoint pastors for a term of years and most bishops use that authority to keep pastors from getting "too familiar" with any one parish. They think they need flexibility with priestly assignments and don't want any one pastor to get to "powerful". The parish secretary, on the other hand, is the hired, and often almost permanent, bureaucrat. She had done what she has done for years and is a much more stable part of the parish than virtually any pastor who will likely be moved in a few years.
What do Novus Ordo pastors do nowadays? They go to meetings and retreats, they sit on committees, they discuss new pastoral methods, they learn how to "reach" young people, they learn about liturgical innovations, and they sign reports given them by the parish secretary.
Deciding to "not rock the boat" is a decision. If you chooce to not decide then you have made a decision. If they allow parish secretaries to do "just about anything" that is a decision in itself.