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Offline Vladimir

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« on: June 14, 2010, 09:09:32 PM »
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  • I'm reading Pascal's Pensees at the moment, and I am really worked up about this man's writing. He's so articulate at expressing his opinions and justifying them. What do the members of this forum think about him?




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    « Reply #1 on: June 14, 2010, 09:23:05 PM »
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  • When I was going through my half-serious Jansenist phase, I read a little bit of Pascal.  His famous book against the Jesuits known as the Provinciales is on the Index -- instant excommunication if you read it.  

    Despite that, I read a couple pages of it thinking "Oh, surely this passed into the domain of history by now."  I don't know how the Index works or if what was forbidden for the 17th century is still forbidden today.  But then I became too frightened to read any more.  I hope I'm not excommunicated!  Believe it or not, I actually confessed to having read what little I did read.

    All I can say is that he has an arrogant, self-satisfied and sarcastic style of writing.  The Provinciales is considered a landmark in French prose because it pretty much invented that snotty kind of verbal one-upsmanship, the dry, withering irony, that was later perfected by Voltaire.

    It's not a charitable kind of writing that Catholics should emulate, in my opinion.  We should move back towards a more dignified, serious and polite style.  I see only ego in this attempt to tear others down to build yourself up.
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.


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    « Reply #2 on: June 14, 2010, 10:23:09 PM »
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  • I read the entire provincial letters a few years back via the internet on RomanCatholicism.org, and I confess I knew the book to be on the index, however I am reminded that in days when we had Popes it was often the case that certain individuals could receive permission to study heretical writings for a period of time, so it was with the lay Cardinal Gasparo Contrarini and the writings of the heresiarch Luther.

    As such I believing that their was no valid Pope could not request permission to read such writings so in the absence of such authority what was I to do.

    Now what I remember about the book was that the first couple letters revolved around Antoine Arnaulds impending expulsion from the Sorbonne and the Jesuitical Molinists and the Dominican Thomists agreeing on the term "proximate power" as a hall mark of orthodoxy while no doubt both had a different idea in mind as to what that term meant. The later letters dealt mainly with the teachings of the Jesuit casuists.

    That is pretty much all I remember about the book, as to my opinion of Pascal the man I would probably have to reflect on the matter further ... I know that his devotion to Jansenism was no doubt solidified by external factors such as the miracle(?) of the holy thorn which healed his niece from some sort of problem with her eyes and the stiff resistance of his beloved sister Jacqueline to signing the formulary.


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    « Reply #3 on: June 15, 2010, 12:00:54 AM »
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  • Actually his writing in Pensees doesn't come across as uncharitable. Although I do see your point about being a bit arrogant. I think its more in the writing style of his period, as across all disciplines authors of this era had a bit of an arrogant air to their work.



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    « Reply #4 on: June 19, 2010, 10:15:16 PM »
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  • A certain version of Pascal's Pensees are on the Index, but only if they contain the notes of Voltaire. There are some historians and philosophers (Peter Kreeft for one) who allege that Pascal was not a Jansenist, but merely sympathetic. I think that may be true, and that he might have been guilty by association. A similar situation might be found with Johann von Staupitz, whose association with Martin Luther resulted in von Staupitz having several works placed on the Index, yet all Catholic sources that I have seen agree that von Staupitz was no heretic.
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    « Reply #5 on: June 19, 2010, 10:27:32 PM »
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  • Favorite quote:

    "It is as much a crime to disturb the peace when truth prevails as it is a crime to keep the peace when truth is violated. There is therefore a time in which peace is justified and another time when it is not justifiable. For it is written that there is a time for peace and a time for war and it is the law of truth that distinguishes the two. But at no time is there a time for truth and a time for error, for it is written that God's truth shall abide forever. That is why Christ has said that He has come to bring peace and at the same time that He has come to bring the sword. But He does not say that He has come to bring both the truth and falsehood." - Blaise Pascal

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    « Reply #6 on: June 19, 2010, 11:03:59 PM »
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  • Quote from: Caraffa
    A certain version of Pascal's Pensees are on the Index, but only if they contain the notes of Voltaire. There are some historians and philosophers (Peter Kreeft for one) who allege that Pascal was not a Jansenist, but merely sympathetic. I think that may be true, and that he might have been guilty by association. A similar situation might be found with Johann von Staupitz, whose association with Martin Luther resulted in von Staupitz having several works placed on the Index, yet all Catholic sources that I have seen agree that von Staupitz was no heretic.


    I personally find it hard to believe that Pascal was not a Jansenist, indeed I find it more probable that he was even more committed to Jansenism than many of his coreligionists, for when it came time for the nuns of Port Royal to sign the formulary, Pascal backed the view of his sister Jacqueline Pascal that to sign the formulary amounted to a denial of the doctrine of efficacious grace, rather than the view of other Jansenists that it was ok to sign it so long as a distinction was made between matters of faith and matters of fact, the Pope in their view being infallible only in matters of faith.

    So if anything Pascal was more of a Jansenist than say Pierre Nichole.

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    « Reply #7 on: June 28, 2010, 04:15:42 PM »
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    A certain version of Pascal's Pensees are on the Index, but only if they contain the notes of Voltaire. There are some historians and philosophers (Peter Kreeft for one) who allege that Pascal was not a Jansenist, but merely sympathetic. I think that may be true, and that he might have been guilty by association. A similar situation might be found with Johann von Staupitz, whose association with Martin Luther resulted in von Staupitz having several works placed on the Index, yet all Catholic sources that I have seen agree that von Staupitz was no heretic.


    I personally find it hard to believe that Pascal was not a Jansenist, indeed I find it more probable that he was even more committed to Jansenism than many of his coreligionists, for when it came time for the nuns of Port Royal to sign the formulary, Pascal backed the view of his sister Jacqueline Pascal that to sign the formulary amounted to a denial of the doctrine of efficacious grace, rather than the view of other Jansenists that it was ok to sign it so long as a distinction was made between matters of faith and matters of fact, the Pope in their view being infallible only in matters of faith.

    So if anything Pascal was more of a Jansenist than say Pierre Nichole.


    But Pascal died with a non-Jansenist priest by his side. If he was such a hard-core Jansenist then such would not have been the case.
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