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Offline Ambrose

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« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2013, 12:10:47 PM »
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    Keep in mind, that Bl. Pius IX caved in to the Liberals when he
    wrote about "invincible ignorance" in an official capacity, and notice:  
    in all of St. Pius X's papacy, NOT A WORD about this menace of a
    microbe.  That should tell us something about 'invincible ignorance'!  


    Pope Pius IX, did not cave into anyone.  He taught the flock as a Pope always teaches the flock.  If you deny this teaching, it is matter for a mortal sin.  
    The Council of Trent, The Catechism of the Council of Trent, Papal Teaching, The Teaching of the Holy Office, The Teaching of the Church Fathers, The Code of Canon Law, Countless approved catechisms, The Doctors of the Church, The teaching of the Dogmatic

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    « Reply #16 on: September 29, 2013, 12:46:29 PM »
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    Keep in mind, that Bl. Pius IX caved in to the Liberals when he
    wrote about "invincible ignorance" in an official capacity, and notice:  
    in all of St. Pius X's papacy, NOT A WORD about this menace of a
    microbe.  That should tell us something about 'invincible ignorance'!  


    Pope Pius IX, did not cave into anyone.  He taught the flock as a Pope always teaches the flock.  If you deny this teaching, it is matter for a mortal sin.  


    Sounds like he's a BOB and BOD denier.
    "For there is not any thing secret that shall not be made manifest, nor hidden, that shall not be known and come abroad."- Luke 8:17


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    « Reply #17 on: September 29, 2013, 01:06:44 PM »
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    Keep in mind, that Bl. Pius IX caved in to the Liberals when he
    wrote about "invincible ignorance" in an official capacity, and notice:  
    in all of St. Pius X's papacy, NOT A WORD about this menace of a
    microbe.  That should tell us something about 'invincible ignorance'!  


    Pope Pius IX, did not cave into anyone.  He taught the flock as a Pope always teaches the flock.  If you deny this teaching, it is matter for a mortal sin.  


    Sounds like he's a BOB and BOD denier.


    I agree, it does sound that way.  This is going to be a battle for a future pope, who will have to warn these people of their heresy and grave error, and if they will not submit, they may be excommunicated.
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    « Reply #18 on: September 29, 2013, 05:23:50 PM »
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    At some point, people need to face the reality of the popes heretical departure from the Catholic faith.


    Yes, or they need to obey him.  There really is no third option.
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    « Reply #19 on: September 29, 2013, 06:54:49 PM »
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  • Ambrose: Under definition, does not explain laws in regarding the nomination, what it takes to be nominated to be a Pope, he must be outwardly showing his fruits of being catholic.  In this case: Under this www. you gave it states: If then the Church should adopt a constitution other than Christ (sacraments other than what Christ instituted) gave it, it  would no longer be HIs there by becoming human, not Divine.

    Francis continues the changes of sacraments, which no one has any authority to change.  He had outward signs before his election, of not being catholic.  That all religions can be saved.  The one sin that a pope to-be can not have.  We know that the enemies are at the top and we were warned a long time ago that it would.  And Chapter 12 of Daniel brings us to the truth, that His Precious Blood, "continual sacrifice" on this earth will end and for how long.

    We are very near.


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    « Reply #20 on: September 29, 2013, 06:59:49 PM »
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    Keep in mind, that Bl. Pius IX caved in to the Liberals when he
    wrote about "invincible ignorance" in an official capacity, and notice:  
    in all of St. Pius X's papacy, NOT A WORD about this menace of a
    microbe.  That should tell us something about 'invincible ignorance'!  


    Pope Pius IX, did not cave into anyone.  He taught the flock as a Pope always teaches the flock.  If you deny this teaching, it is matter for a mortal sin.  


    Sounds like he's a BOB and BOD denier.


    I agree, it does sound that way.  This is going to be a battle for a future pope, who will have to warn these people of their heresy and grave error, and if they will not submit, they may be excommunicated.


    A Future Catholic Pope.
    I pray for that every day.

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    « Reply #21 on: September 29, 2013, 07:21:08 PM »
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    Keep in mind, that Bl. Pius IX caved in to the Liberals when he
    wrote about "invincible ignorance" in an official capacity, and notice:  
    in all of St. Pius X's papacy, NOT A WORD about this menace of a
    microbe.  That should tell us something about 'invincible ignorance'!  


    Pope Pius IX, did not cave into anyone.  He taught the flock as a Pope always teaches the flock.  If you deny this teaching, it is matter for a mortal sin.  


    Sounds like he's a BOB and BOD denier.


    I agree, it does sound that way.  This is going to be a battle for a future pope, who will have to warn these people of their heresy and grave error, and if they will not submit, they may be excommunicated.


    A Future Catholic Pope.
    I pray for that every day.


    Us too. After the rosary every night.

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    « Reply #22 on: October 01, 2013, 02:19:33 AM »
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    It makes utterly no sense why certain people are all worked
    up about this latest barrage of false ecumenism.  

    All anyone needs is an implicit desire to please God, they say,
    and they have sufficient membership in the Church for their
    salvation.  So what's the problem with ecumenism?  Why get
    upset about it?  It is the logical end of your own belief!    

    Take your premise to its logical end, if you're capable of
    thinking, that is, and embrace ecumenism.  Of course, if you
    don't embrace ecumenism, it proves you can't think, logically
    speaking.  

    End of story.



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    « Reply #23 on: October 01, 2013, 06:50:38 AM »
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    All anyone needs is an implicit desire to please God, they say,
    and they have sufficient membership in the Church for their
    salvation. So what's the problem with ecumenism? Why get
    upset about it? It is the logical end of your own belief!


    Who is "they"?
    The Council of Trent, The Catechism of the Council of Trent, Papal Teaching, The Teaching of the Holy Office, The Teaching of the Church Fathers, The Code of Canon Law, Countless approved catechisms, The Doctors of the Church, The teaching of the Dogmatic

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    « Reply #24 on: October 01, 2013, 08:12:41 AM »
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    All anyone needs is an implicit desire to please God, they say,
    and they have sufficient membership in the Church for their
    salvation. So what's the problem with ecumenism? Why get
    upset about it? It is the logical end of your own belief!


    Who is "they"?


    From my long experience here, "they" are all BODers here on CI, for they all  believe that for salvation, "all anyone needs is an implicit desire to please God". They won't put it that way, they may not even know what they believe, nevertheless, that is what they believe, since that is what the 1949 with no AAS number says and they keep bringing it forward as the "authoritative" document against those that deny BOD, "because it was written by the Holy Office under the reign of Pius XII".

    Meanwhile they all (the BODers,  at least the sedevacantes BODers)reject the Holy Week Mass changes promulgated directly by Pius XII.

    That's two inconsistencies among tons more for BODers, people with no common sense.

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    « Reply #25 on: October 01, 2013, 08:23:26 AM »
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    It makes utterly no sense why certain people are all worked
    up about this latest barrage of false ecumenism.  

    All anyone needs is an implicit desire to please God, they say,
    and they have sufficient membership in the Church for their
    salvation.  So what's the problem with ecumenism?  Why get
    upset about it?  It is the logical end of your own belief!    

    Take your premise to its logical end, if you're capable of
    thinking, that is, and embrace ecumenism.  Of course, if you
    don't embrace ecumenism, it proves you can't think, logically
    speaking.  

    End of story.




    Who is "they"?


    Neil Obstat hit the nail on the head!

    From my long experience here, "they" are all BODers here on CI, for they all  believe that for salvation, "all anyone needs is an implicit desire to please God". They won't put it that way, they may not even know what they believe, nevertheless, that is what they believe, since that is what the 1949 with no AAS number says and they keep bringing it forward as the "authoritative" document against those that deny BOD, "because it was written by the Holy Office under the reign of Pius XII".

    Meanwhile they all (the BODers,  at least the sedevacantes BODers)reject the Holy Week Mass changes promulgated directly by Pius XII, for which they would have been excommunicated in 1 minute, and goes directly against Pius X's instructions, the subject of this thread!!!

    That's two inconsistencies among tons more for BODers, people with no common sense.


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    « Reply #26 on: October 01, 2013, 03:36:35 PM »
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  • From dissenting from the pope to BOD.  Let's put this topic out of its misery.


     

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