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Author Topic: Outdoor Masses: Sacrilege or Scruple?  (Read 3629 times)

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Re: Outdoor Masses: Sacrilege or Scruple?
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2019, 12:36:33 PM »
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Also, in Ireland as other areas, from what i recall, masses were "outside" in a cave or some other type shelter.  
It was also during a time of persecution when normal churches were not accessible.

Re: Outdoor Masses: Sacrilege or Scruple?
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2019, 12:47:33 PM »
Here's what the 1917 Canon Law has to say on the matter:

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Canon 822

Holy Mass must be celebrated on a consecrated altar, and in a church or oratory consecrated or blessed according to law.  Regarding private and semi-public oratories, Canon 1196 is to be observed.

The privilege or the portable altar is conceded either by law or by indult of no other than the Holy See.

This privilege is to be understood in such a sense, that it bestows the faculty to say Holy Mass anywhere in a decent and respectable place, and on a consecrated altar stone, not, however, on the ocean.

The local Ordinary, or where there is a question of an exempt religious house, the major superior, can give permission for a just and reasonable cause to celebrate Holy Mass outside the church or oratory on a consecrated altar stone, in a decent place, but never in a bedroom.  This permission can be given in an extraordinary case and only per modum actus, i.e. not perpetually.

Canon 823 goes on to say that Mass cannot be said in Protestant or Orthodox churches, and that, generally speaking, priests should only say Mass in churches of their own rite, but there are exceptions to the later rule.

Given this, it would seem special permission is necessary to have outdoor Mass, although it seems to be a fairly common practice.  I'm not sure how to rectify this practice with Canon Law.


Re: Outdoor Masses: Sacrilege or Scruple?
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2019, 01:11:29 PM »
This privilege is to be understood in such a sense, that it bestows the faculty to say Holy Mass anywhere in a decent and respectable place, and on a consecrated altar stone, not, however, on the ocean.


Does every home that receives a priest for mass have an altar stone?  Do the priests bring it with them?

It seems to me this is  another problem.

Re: Outdoor Masses: Sacrilege or Scruple?
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2019, 01:42:13 PM »
This privilege is to be understood in such a sense, that it bestows the faculty to say Holy Mass anywhere in a decent and respectable place, and on a consecrated altar stone, not, however, on the ocean.


Does every home that receives a priest for mass have an altar stone?  Do the priests bring it with them?

It seems to me this is  another problem.
Our Resistance chapel has a properly consecrated altar stone, and prior to that, properly blessed Greek corporals with the relics of traditionally consecrated saints sewn into them (I know, because I personally procured the relics directly from Rome, and they were then transferred by an Avrille Dominican from their containers into the antimensium).
On another note, if priests should generally not say Mass in a church of another Rite, then trad priests should not say Mass in any church built for the Novus Ordo )as in done in many indult locations).
Yes, I understand that the fiction of “two usages -ordinary and extraordinary- for one Rite” would seem to bypass the preclusion, but we all know that is nonsense:
A Rite which departs from the theology of the Mass as defined at Trent is a whole new concoction, not another usage of the same Rite (as one could argue for, say, the Dominican or Praemonstratention Rite).

Re: Outdoor Masses: Sacrilege or Scruple?
« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2019, 02:15:41 PM »
What kind of altar stone did priests use during the war when they offered Mass on the hood of a jeep?