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Author Topic: Outdoor Masses: Sacrilege or Scruple?  (Read 3384 times)

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Re: Outdoor Masses: Sacrilege or Scruple?
« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2019, 02:41:59 PM »
What kind of altar stone did priests use during the war when they offered Mass on the hood of a jeep?
They just used Greek corporals (basically antimensia, as used in the eastern rites, but plain white instead of the ornate and colored eastern variety).
It is just a corporal with the relics of 2 or more different martyrs sewn into a imperceptible pouch in a corner of the underside -or topside-of the corporal.

Re: Outdoor Masses: Sacrilege or Scruple?
« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2019, 06:00:30 PM »
What kind of altar stone did priests use during the war when they offered Mass on the hood of a jeep?

Permission to celebrate those outdoor Masses ?




Re: Outdoor Masses: Sacrilege or Scruple?
« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2019, 06:36:54 PM »
I don't know if this is relevant but Google showed me this website about Irish outdoor Mass Rocks:

Find A Mass Rock







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The angels and the holy souls are there.

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Re: Outdoor Masses: Sacrilege or Scruple?
« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2019, 06:42:57 PM »
I tend to agree with SeanJohnson that Traditional priests are a little too nonchalant about saying Mass outdoors.  Indeed, there is great risk of sacrilege during windy conditions.  There would have to be a proportionately grave reason (such as in the pictures from wartime).  I think this is partly due to the fact that Traditional priests have become used to offering Mass in all kinds of locations due to being on the outs with the Conciliar establishment and not having access to the buildings that were once Catholic churches.

Now, one can never ... even in optimal conditions, completely prevent every single particle of the Blessed Sacrament from landing somewhere it should not.  But I believe that God somehow takes care of these, sending angels to safeguard the particles ... or perhaps they even lose their consecration if they cease to have the accidents of bread.  I've found the argument persuasive that if the particles are so small that they cannot be visually identified as bread (vs. a flake of skin or other substance), then since the accidents are no longer there, Our Lord is no longer in the particle, or, rather that the Lord is no longer the particle (lest my language suggest consubstantiation), i.e. that the accidents are not merely the chemical makeup of the bread, but also the appearance of being bread.  I think that there can be a danger of scruples here.  I could see a scrupulous priest examining the patent for several minutes after communion looking for every single tiny spec.  Perhaps that is overkill?  Could it lead to neurotic behavior?

Re: Outdoor Masses: Sacrilege or Scruple?
« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2019, 06:54:33 PM »
But I believe that God somehow takes care of these, sending angels to safeguard the particles ...
I have questions then. Do the angels protect the particles as well during the Novus Ordo Masses, or even Black Masses, so that Our Lord is defended from sacrilegious hands even then? So that the swine think they are desecrating Our Lord but they are mistaken because he remains forever unsoiled and purer than virginal snow? But if you say that, is sacrilege even possible then? Is it all in the intention because God can never be wounded, even by our sins? But he was wounded on Calvary when he died for our sins?