… Since they do the latter, I can't imagine them doing the former without a qualm, especially since they are folks who are inclined to a certain amount of after-Mass socialization. …

When I typed the sentence above, I inadvertently omitted the following italicized clause, without which the sentence makes little sense:

Since they do the latter, I can't imagine them doing the former without a qualm if there were anything seriously unorthodox about the La Salette church or its priest, especially since they are folks who are inclined to a certain amount of after-Mass socialization.

Apologies to all. The clause was in my head, but it failed to reach my fingertips in due course.

Could the fools who jumped in to condemn this place because it happened to be in Bayside stop and think before they post?

Condemned by bishop:

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DECLARATION CONCERNING THE "BAYSIDE MOVEMENT"
       November 4, 1986 Letter of Bishop Francis Mugavero of Brooklyn

In recent months, doubts have been raised by members of the so-called
"Bayside Movement" concerning the official position of the Diocese of
Brooklyn on the alleged "apparitions" of the Blessed Virgin Mary, and
other heavenly beings, to a woman by the name of Vernica Lueken.

Moreover, erroneous claims have been made by a number of followers of Mrs.
Lueken concerning the legitimacy of their position, in order to justify
their activities on behalf of the "Movement." These have taken the form of
statements in their publications that "since Articles 1399 and 2218 of
(the 1917 Code of) Canon Law were abrogated by Pope Paul VI in 1966, no
ecclesiastical permission is required, neither can anyone incure censure,
for the publication or dissemination of information dealing with
revelations, visions or miracles, provided these do not endanger Faith or
morals."

As a result of the above-mentioned doubts and claims, a number of Christ's
faithful continue to attend the regularly-scheduled "vigils" held at
Flushing Meadow Park, and to disseminate or receive propaganda literature
on this matter.

I, the undersigned Diocesan Bishop of Brooklyn, in my role as the
legitimate shepherd of this particular Church, wish to confirm the
constant position of the Diocese of Brooklyn that a thorough investigation
revealed that the alleged "visions of Bayside" completely lacked
authenticity.

Moreover, in view of the confusion created by published reports of
messages and other literature by this "Movement," I consider it my
obligation to offer Christ's faithful pastoral guidance, lest their faith
be endangered by "messages" and "teachings" relayed by "visionaries,"
which are contrary to the Faith of our Catholic Church.

Therefore, in consultation with the Congregation for the Doctrine of the
Faith, I hereby declare that:

1. No credibility can be given to the so-called "apparitions" reported by
Veronica Lueken and her followers.

2. The "messages" and other related propaganda contain statements which,
among other things, are contrary to the teachings of the Catholic Church,
undermine the legitimate authority of bishops and councils and instill
doubts in the minds of the faithful, for example, by claiming that, for
years, an "imposter (sic) Pope" governed the Catholic Church in place of
Paul VI.

3. Those who persistently maintain that "no ecclesiastical permission is
required for the publication or dissemination" of information concerning
"revelations, visions or miracles," are erroneously interpreting the
directives of the Holy See when they attempt to justify the publication of
the propaganda literature on the "Bayside Messages."

In view of my declaration concerning the authenticity of the "visions of
Bayside," the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has confirmed
that the principles governing the publication of such religious material
still maintain authoritative moral value prohibiting the endangering of
faith and good morals (Cf. Response of SCDF of June 14, 1966, in AAS 58,
1186).

As a result, those publishing or disseminating this propaganda literature
are acting against the judgment of legitimate Church authority.

4. Because of my concern for their spiritual welfare, members of Christ's
faithful are hereby directed to refrain from participating in the "vigils"
and from disseminating any propaganda related to the "Bayside
apparitions." They are also discouraged from reading any such literature.

5. Anyone promoting this devotion in any way, be it by participating in
the "vigils," organizing pilgrimages, publishing or disseminating the
literature related to it, is contributing to the confusion which is being
created in the faith of God's people, as well as encouraging them to act
against the determinations made by the legitimate pastor of this
particular Church (c.212, para. 1).

It remains my constant hope that all the faithful spend their time and
energies in promoting devotion to our Blessed Lady, in the many forms
which have been approved by the Catholic Church.


+Bishop Francis Mugavero
Bishop of Brooklyn

Lol.  And you are going to listen to a novus ordo bishop???
 :roll-laugh1:

Why not just go there yourself instead of bantering about it our lady of la salette have no connection to the apparation of bayside hence there are sedevacantist with valid ordination speak with father Paul dolorsa and he will explain everything

Quote from: poche

Weren't the apparitions of Bayside sedevacantist?

I've read some goofy dis-information on this fourm, but this is in my top two!  Good Grief!

Don't you know that sedevacantism is the root of all evil? :rolleyes:

Were the apparitions associated with a NO church in the same town?  I saw some pics online and there were people in jeans and t-shirts in a church but I can't say for sure the pic was actually the church in Bayside or was from another church and was just being used as an example of the modern changes in the church.

Before 1978, Veronica Lueken predicted that Pope Paul VI would flee from Rome in exile and be replaced with the worst antipope in history (Karol Wojtyla). There were numerous predictions of that, and then this woman became deluded by Satan because of pride, and she fell in contradiction: she supported Karol Wojtyla.

For this reason, here is what we can read in the Swiss exorcisms:

“That's why the Blessed Virgin said at Bayside that a man of dark secrets would sit on the Seat of Peter. Those were true words. This man of dark secrets is Wojtyla, Karol Wojtyla... That's what he is... And we have to say that!... I don't want to talk anymore! Exorcism.
We have said why Bayside has deviated. We have had to unveil it. He who does not remain humble and hidden runs the risk of seeing Heaven withdraw and demons speak instead of Heaven."

October 13th, 1986

“Veronica Lueken, the seer of Bayside, predicted that a man of dark secrets would seat on the Throne. Now that he is sitting on it, she has opposite revelations!(...)”

April 10th, 1988



Before he became an antipope, when he was a true seer, Clement of Palmar also said that Pope Paul VI would flee in exile and be replaced with an antipope. He announced a period of schism, and it was his mission to travel all around the world to warn the Catholics about that.

We can find the same thing in the Necedah apparitions: several predictions said that Pope Paul VI would flee in exile and be replaced with "the black pope".

Here is what the Bayside apparitions said about this "black pope":

Many prayers of reparation are needed for Our Vicar. There is, My child, a plan to eliminate him. It is being developed to remove him from Our House for one who is known as Antichrist to reign [the precursor of Antichrist, Karol Wojtyla]. Yes, this black leader is not black of color, but of heart. He will bring much evil into My Son’s House.

December 25, 1971


Most of the private revelations defending Catholic tradition mentioned Paul VI's survival; but nowadays the Catholics are blinded by Satan, because of the sins of the flesh.

Here are some quotes of the Bayside apparitions:

December 7, 1970
Our Vicar is in great danger. Already there is a plan in motion to remove him from among you. Never cease in your prayers. I will guide the Message to thine Holy Father, for they cannot hold back the truth.

October 6, 1971
The hour approaches, My child. Your prayers are sorely needed now, for already the plan is in motion to remove Our Vicar from among you. Pray! Pray as you have never offered prayers before.

December 25, 1971
Many prayers of reparation are needed for Our Vicar. There is, My child, a plan to eliminate him. It is being developed to remove him from Our House for one who is known as Antichrist to reign [the precursor of Antichrist, Karol Wojtyla]. Yes, this black leader is not black of color, but of heart. He will bring much evil into My Son’s House.

April 1, 1972
Continue your prayers and sacrifices for your Vicar. The enemy has a well-founded plan to remove him from the Seat of Peter.

August 21, 1972
The enemy is within the House of God. He will seek to remove your Vicar from among you, and when he does he will place a man of dark secrets [Karol Wojtyla] upon the Seat of Peter!

September 7, 1972
Those in My Son’s House now receive final warning that they will not remove Our Vicar from the holy House of God. For to do so will set in motion the advent of the anti-pope into your House.

September 14, 1972
You will now make haste to enlighten the bishops that should they proceed in their plan to remove Our Vicar, the sword will come down upon them.

October 6, 1972
The evil surrounds your Vicar. The plan is to remove him from among you. When he is removed, you will receive the man of dark secrets upon the Seat of Peter.

May 30, 1973
You will stand behind your Vicar. The agents of hell surround him. They will not remove him from the Seat of Peter. A greater punishment falls upon man should he be removed from the Seat of Peter! It is the plan of Lucifer to sit his agent upon the Seat.

August 14, 1973
You will follow the Vicar of Christ. On your earth you will not remove him from the Seat of Peter and place one who has been planned from hell.

March 29, 1975
Your Holy Father, Paul, Pope Paul VI, is under great trial. Pray that he is not removed from among you, for there is one waiting to replace him who shall sow great discord and division in My Son's House.

June 5, 1975
There is a plan afoot, My child, and in print to destroy confidence in the Holy Father, Pope Paul VI. It is the plan of the enemy to remove him from the Seat of Peter.
You must pray much for him. All of his writings are being monitored, My child. There are many enemies in his office [Cardinal Villot falsified the Holy Father's docuмents].

But you must remain loyal to Rome and your Holy Father, Our Vicar upon earth, Pope Paul VI. The agents of hell set around him shall seek to remove him, and you will find upon the Seat of Peter one who is a puppet of satan.

September 6, 1975
Yes, My child, the tears are falling from Heaven. We see a plot against Our beloved Vicar. We see the enemy within planning to remove him. Already, My child, his hands are tied.

September 13, 1975
The great Warning promised to mankind is soon coming upon you. If this is not accepted as coming from the Eternal Father, you will bow your heads in sorrow with the loss of your Holy Father, Pope Paul VI, and then shall descend the hand upon you. There shall be set upon earth a sword.

My child, you must pray much for your great pastor in Rome, the eternal Father, your Vicar, Pope Paul VI. He suffers much at the hands of his enemies. My child, he is but a prisoner in the Eternal City.
The forces of evil are working to remove him, My child. 

December 6, 1975
You will pray for your Vicar, Pope Paul VI. He is laid low under a heavy cross, My children. 
Those who should support him, those whom he trusts most, are now plotting to remove him from the Seat of Peter.

April 10, 1976
O My child, how many tears of sorrow do I shed for what is coming upon your Holy Father and Our Vicar, Pope Paul VI, in the Eternal City of Rome! The Eternal Father in Heaven is watching as mankind is setting himself fast upon a path of schism. There will be much strife within the Eternal City, My child. You must keep a constant vigilance of prayer.
You must join with other voice-boxes of the world in defense of your Vicar, your Holy Father upon earth, or you will all shed tears of great sorrow when they remove him from among you and seat upon the throne of Peter one who is an antipope, a man of dark secrets. 

April 17, 1976
My child, you will listen carefully and repeat after Me. It is at this time, due to the urgency of your times, I must warn you now that the agents of 666 are in Rome, the Eternal City. As My Mother has told you in the past, it is the plan of this group, the agents of 666, to remove your Vicar, Pope Paul VI, from Rome.  

July 15, 1976
There is now in the city of Rome a conspiracy of evil to remove your Vicar from the Seat of Peter. The forces, the red forces are gathering. Pray a constant vigilance of prayer. When the upheaval in Rome takes place, My children, know that the end of your era is at hand.

September 14, 1976
When you see, when you hear, when you feel the revolution in Rome, when you see the Holy Father fleeing, seeking a refuge in another land, know that the time is ripe [Pope Paul VI escaped from Rome on July 12th 1981, and he will flee a second time after his reappearance in Rome]. But beg and plead that your good Pontiff does not leave Rome, for he will allow the man of dark secrets to capture his throne [Karol Wojtyla was able to definitely capture his throne when Paul VI fled from Rome in 1981].

March 18, 1978
You must all pray and do penance for the welfare of the Holy Father in Rome, Pope Paul VI.  He has many traitors at his table with him.  They seek to remove him and place one, a man of dark secrets, upon the Seat.