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Offline Matto

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« on: July 27, 2013, 05:07:01 PM »
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  • Has anyone here ever gone to Our Lady of La Salette Church in Bayside New York? Do you know anything about it? All I know about it is that it is independent and has the Latin Mass and the priest is named Fr. Jesé Milagrosa. I am interested because the Church is not too far from me and I would like to find out if it would be a good option to go to Mass there if I stop attending Mass at the SSPX chapel.
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    « Reply #1 on: July 27, 2013, 07:09:04 PM »
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  •  :heretic:
    These are the people who believe in the apparition of Mary through Sr. Lucia in Flushing Meadow Park.  I'd stay away, myself.  
     St. Francis Xavier threw a Crucifix into the sea, at once calming the waves.  Upon reaching the shore, the Crucifix was returned to him by a crab with a curious cross pattern on its shell.  


    Offline Matto

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    « Reply #2 on: July 27, 2013, 07:20:00 PM »
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  • So they are followers of a questionable private revelation? I am not a big fan of questionable private revelations.
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    « Reply #3 on: July 27, 2013, 07:40:59 PM »
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  • Stay away from Bayside, my friend.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,

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    « Reply #4 on: July 27, 2013, 07:43:09 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matto
    I am not a big fan of questionable private revelations.


    That sums it up very well.  Questionable private revelation takes center stage, rest of Faith is on the sidelines.  I've heard the priest's ordination is also questionable, but I don't know why.
     St. Francis Xavier threw a Crucifix into the sea, at once calming the waves.  Upon reaching the shore, the Crucifix was returned to him by a crab with a curious cross pattern on its shell.  


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    « Reply #5 on: July 27, 2013, 07:43:36 PM »
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  • Condemned by bishop:
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    DECLARATION CONCERNING THE "BAYSIDE MOVEMENT"
           November 4, 1986 Letter of Bishop Francis Mugavero of Brooklyn

    In recent months, doubts have been raised by members of the so-called
    "Bayside Movement" concerning the official position of the Diocese of
    Brooklyn on the alleged "apparitions" of the Blessed Virgin Mary, and
    other heavenly beings, to a woman by the name of Vernica Lueken.

    Moreover, erroneous claims have been made by a number of followers of Mrs.
    Lueken concerning the legitimacy of their position, in order to justify
    their activities on behalf of the "Movement." These have taken the form of
    statements in their publications that "since Articles 1399 and 2218 of
    (the 1917 Code of) Canon Law were abrogated by Pope Paul VI in 1966, no
    ecclesiastical permission is required, neither can anyone incure censure,
    for the publication or dissemination of information dealing with
    revelations, visions or miracles, provided these do not endanger Faith or
    morals."

    As a result of the above-mentioned doubts and claims, a number of Christ's
    faithful continue to attend the regularly-scheduled "vigils" held at
    Flushing Meadow Park, and to disseminate or receive propaganda literature
    on this matter.

    I, the undersigned Diocesan Bishop of Brooklyn, in my role as the
    legitimate shepherd of this particular Church, wish to confirm the
    constant position of the Diocese of Brooklyn that a thorough investigation
    revealed that the alleged "visions of Bayside" completely lacked
    authenticity.

    Moreover, in view of the confusion created by published reports of
    messages and other literature by this "Movement," I consider it my
    obligation to offer Christ's faithful pastoral guidance, lest their faith
    be endangered by "messages" and "teachings" relayed by "visionaries,"
    which are contrary to the Faith of our Catholic Church.

    Therefore, in consultation with the Congregation for the Doctrine of the
    Faith, I hereby declare that:

    1. No credibility can be given to the so-called "apparitions" reported by
    Veronica Lueken and her followers.

    2. The "messages" and other related propaganda contain statements which,
    among other things, are contrary to the teachings of the Catholic Church,
    undermine the legitimate authority of bishops and councils and instill
    doubts in the minds of the faithful, for example, by claiming that, for
    years, an "imposter (sic) Pope" governed the Catholic Church in place of
    Paul VI.

    3. Those who persistently maintain that "no ecclesiastical permission is
    required for the publication or dissemination" of information concerning
    "revelations, visions or miracles," are erroneously interpreting the
    directives of the Holy See when they attempt to justify the publication of
    the propaganda literature on the "Bayside Messages."

    In view of my declaration concerning the authenticity of the "visions of
    Bayside," the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has confirmed
    that the principles governing the publication of such religious material
    still maintain authoritative moral value prohibiting the endangering of
    faith and good morals (Cf. Response of SCDF of June 14, 1966, in AAS 58,
    1186).

    As a result, those publishing or disseminating this propaganda literature
    are acting against the judgment of legitimate Church authority.

    4. Because of my concern for their spiritual welfare, members of Christ's
    faithful are hereby directed to refrain from participating in the "vigils"
    and from disseminating any propaganda related to the "Bayside
    apparitions." They are also discouraged from reading any such literature.

    5. Anyone promoting this devotion in any way, be it by participating in
    the "vigils," organizing pilgrimages, publishing or disseminating the
    literature related to it, is contributing to the confusion which is being
    created in the faith of God's people, as well as encouraging them to act
    against the determinations made by the legitimate pastor of this
    particular Church (c.212, para. 1).

    It remains my constant hope that all the faithful spend their time and
    energies in promoting devotion to our Blessed Lady, in the many forms
    which have been approved by the Catholic Church.


    +Bishop Francis Mugavero
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    « Reply #6 on: July 27, 2013, 07:54:18 PM »
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  • do a search on "Bayside Apparition" and "Veronica Leuken" to find out more.

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    « Reply #7 on: July 28, 2013, 05:56:28 PM »
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  • Agree Marlelar.


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    « Reply #8 on: July 29, 2013, 01:46:16 PM »
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  • Weren't the apparitions of Bayside sedevacantist?

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    « Reply #9 on: July 29, 2013, 01:49:18 PM »
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  • Quote from: poche
    Weren't the apparitions of Bayside sedevacantist?


    I've read some goofy dis-information on this fourm, but this is in my top two!  Good Grief!

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    « Reply #10 on: March 13, 2014, 09:41:10 PM »
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  • I would like to say that Monsignor jese does nothing to do with the apparition in fresh meadows and were independent having said that our apostolic succession comes from bishop thuc none of you sedevacantist know what your talking about maybe should stop by and have talk with our priest


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    « Reply #11 on: March 14, 2014, 02:32:16 AM »
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  •  :dancing-banana: :confused1:
    What's a "sedevacantist apparition?" A vision of the Papal throne sans occupant?  Do you believe the locutions of Veronica Lueken to be of God?  If so, go check out Bayside.  If not, stay away.  No Catholic is obliged to believe private revelation. In fact, we're cautioned about them.  
    If seriously interested and able to judge impartially, check the chapel out for yourself.  I'm sure you will find what is normal just about anywhere.  Most people will be fairly pleasant, a few, cliquey, a few "fanatics" with a need to "convert" you to their views.  A minority will be overtly hostile and heretical.  The priest's ordination may be perfectly valid.  Then again, it may not.  Chances are that he will be fairly likeable, fairly well-educated in a seminary of some sort, concerned for the spiritual welfare if his flock, but doesn't that describe the average protestant pastor of any number of small churches in NYC?  It might be worth investigating in case you or a loved one needs a priest in an emergency.  The closest SSPX priests are over 50 miles away, the closest Resistance priests over 800 miles distant IF in residence.  What's left?  Dogmatic sedevacantist?  Novus ordo? Eastern Rite?  Formally schismatic?  Slim pickings for world-class city!
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    « Reply #12 on: March 14, 2014, 05:01:16 AM »
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  • Are people here sure that this Church is connected with the alleged apparitions? My internet search revealed no mention of the two being connected. Why not go and check it out. even a phone call could give you a lead. You can always walk away if it's not above board.

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    « Reply #13 on: March 14, 2014, 07:03:19 AM »
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  • You have been told by someone who goes to that church that the priest has nothing to do with these "appiritions".

    The church just happens to be in Bayside.

    This is what I gather. If they are sedevacantist, go there, the mass will be pre-vatican 2.

    I suggest you also email groups like the CMRI and SSPV in your country to ask them about this church and the ordination of the priests there.

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    « Reply #14 on: March 15, 2014, 03:03:11 PM »
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  • Quote from: Nadir
    Are people here sure that this Church is connected with the alleged apparitions? My internet search revealed no mention of the two being connected. Why not go and check it out. Even a phone call could give you a lead. You can always walk away if it's not above board.


    I applaud your charity. Till this very moment, I had never heard or read anything even hinting at a characterization of adherence to the Bayside looniness. What is more, to my knowledge the validity or liceity of Father Milagrosa's ordination has never been the object of reasonable doubt. Note, please, that I am not accusing the admirable Frances of calumny or detraction, but if she or anyone else has something more substantial than what I've read thus far to offer, I think that it should be laid before us all.

    I too, for my sins, am a resident of the Big Bagel, and I have met people who hear Mass there, though I am not of their number. I think particularly of two elderly people (i.e., even older than I am and hence close to eighty) who have, as I understand, gone there on and off for years. At other times they frequent an out-of-town indult parish. Since they do the latter, I can't imagine them doing the former without a qualm, especially since they are folks who are inclined to a certain amount of after-Mass socialization. (I'm not so inclined, as I've mentioned on occasion. I go to Mass, and afterwards I go home. Punkt.)

    What with the present state of the world, Matto, you must make up your own mind about these questions. You seem a reasonable man, and so I am sure you will make a reasonable decision. But nowadays especially, when finding a properly ordained priest who celebrates an unadulterated Mass is by no means as easy as pie, I find the idea of canvassing (often even grilling) priests and congregations about their opinions on things that may legitimately be considered private—even if they constitute actual or arguably sinful matter—genuinely pointless, besides being distasteful in the extreme. I'd even call it un-Catholic.

     

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