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Offline Malleus 01

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« on: August 16, 2012, 01:48:56 PM »
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  • I came across this article in Christ or Chaos and decided to share it

    "The enemy also becomes bolder in his attacks when those of us who want to see Tradition restored in the Church and the Social Reign of Christ the King restored become so focused on fighting each other, sometimes quite nastily, that we lose sight of the fact that adversary's minions are monitoring our words and actions. There will come a day when all of us will be rounded up without distinction to the traditionalist "camp" in which we associate ourselves. It won't matter to the statists and their Catholic collaborators (who will quite happily serve the role of the Jewish collaborators in the early days of the Third Reich) whether we are indultarians or members of the Society of Saint Pius X or sedevacantists. Oh, no, anyone who believes in the Social Reign of Christ the King will be seen as an enemy of the State, a veritable incarnation of David Koresh (aka Wayne Howell) or Timothy McVeigh. People who cannot presently stand one another--and who hurl the most vile insults at each other--may very well find themselves in the same jail cell awaiting execution just because they believe in the Apostles' Creed and Christ the King.

    Even this, though, is not without precedent. Saint Hippolytus spent a good deal of his life as an antipope, believing that the several popes in Rome had countenanced heresy and/or were too weak on heretics. Thus, he had himself proclaimed pope after the death of Pope Saint Zephyrinus, thereby opposing three successive popes, Callistus, Urban, and Pontian. As Our Lord would have it, however, Pontian and Hippolytus were sent into exile together on the island of Sardinia by Emperor Maximinus in the year 235 A.D. The two former adversaries, Pontian and Hippolytus, were reconciled to each other during their captivity, which ended in their deaths. This should remind us, one and all, that those who believe in the Apostles' Creed but differ from us about the nature and the extent of the problems facing the Church in her human elements are not the problem we face today. We face hatred from the political and economic and cultural tyrants of Modernity on the one hand and from the tyrants of Modernism in the Church on the other.

    We will have our differences with our fellow traditional Catholics, to be sure. We must always recognize, however, the devil's minions in the world will make no distinction amongst us at all. Truly believing Catholics are the worst threat to tyrants. (Not so with quisling Catholics who have bought into, whether wittingly or unwittingly, the "the joys of the world" as being compatible with the Faith.) Revolutionaries have always recognized this to be the case. They recognize it today, which is why we must understand that Modernism's obeisance to the altar of Modernity should be the focus of our attention, not the sideshow of the different ways in which our fellow traditional Catholics have reacted to the incredible series of events of the past forty to fifty years. (I mean, the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue is cooperating with the pro-contraception, pro-abortion World Council of Churches to try to devise a universal code of conduct to supervise the process of religious conversions so as to not disparage any other religions? This is from Christ? Yes, I will do an article on this at some point in the next week or so. But, seriously, how in the world can any Catholic say that such an effort is of God or does not reflect poorly on the reigning pontiff who has authorized it?)

    The enemies of the Faith know that anyone who professes traditional Catholicism is, at the very least, a potential enemy of the Revolution, an enemy of the "right" of the civil state to wipe out any expression of Catholicism from the midst of popular culture. Although I am tempted to point out numerous examples of who among the warring tribes of traditionalism could be paired up in prison by the statists in a repetition of the experience of Saints Pontian and Hippolytus, I will leave it to your own imaginations to conjure up pairings of people today who don't speak to each or who don't regard each other highly. Pontian and Hippolytus, despite their many differences, were ready to die for the Faith as it had been handed down to them from the Apostles. Do we really think that those who differ from us within the traditional movement are not as ready to die for the Faith today as were Pontian and Hippolytus in the Third Century?

    Our only hope in the midst of these troubling times, ladies and gentlemen, is Our Lady of Fatima. We must cling to her. We must do our part to fulfill her Fatima Message in our own daily lives, trusting her with the same childlike simplicity and joy of Francisco, Jacinta, and Lucia. We must do penance for our own sins and for those of the whole world. We must pray, pray, pray, for the conversion of sinners. And we must pray for the consecration of Russia to Our Lady's Sorrowful and Immaculate Heart by a pope with all of the world's bishops (something that has not been done). The fulfillment of Our Lady's Fatima Message will bring about the end of the spread of the errors of Russia, which are the errors of Modernity in the world and Modernism in the counterfeit church of concilairism. Tradition will be restored in the Church and Christendom in the world."

    Thank you Dr Drolesky

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    « Reply #1 on: August 17, 2012, 09:03:18 AM »
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  • When we stand before God, face to face, I believe with all my heart, He will not ask us what we thought of the man sitting in the chair of Peter.  He will ask us, "DID YOU KEEP THE FAITH" and "What did you do with your life".  

    These Catholic who dare to tear down each other because they are SSPX, or Sedevacantist are doing the work of the devil.  


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    « Reply #2 on: August 17, 2012, 10:50:57 AM »
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  • Quote from: MyrnaM
    When we stand before God, face to face, I believe with all my heart, He will not ask us what we thought of the man sitting in the chair of Peter.  He will ask us, "DID YOU KEEP THE FAITH" and "What did you do with your life".  

    These Catholic who dare to tear down each other because they are SSPX, or Sedevacantist are doing the work of the devil.  


    I agree Myrna - hope everything is better your way - know you are in our prayers

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    « Reply #3 on: August 17, 2012, 02:11:29 PM »
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  • Malleus

    Thanks for the prayers,  things at my home continue to decline.  My husband who has always been the head of our family is now confused, with tumors throughout his body, bone, lungs, and now the brain.  He has no chance according to the doctors.  So I must adjust to my new roll, that is being his authority now, because he is slipping away daily.  

    Also I have my mom age 97, living with me, who is suffering from heart failure, so she too can go to her eternity at any time.

    Please don't feel sorry for me, just pray for me to be strong enough to handle this heavy cross.   My adult children live all around me, just minutes away, so I have it much better than many other who have had to step up to the plate.  

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    « Reply #4 on: August 17, 2012, 02:13:19 PM »
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    When we stand before God, face to face, I believe with all my heart, He will not ask us what we thought of the man sitting in the chair of Peter.  He will ask us, "DID YOU KEEP THE FAITH" and "What did you do with your life".  

    These Catholic who dare to tear down each other because they are SSPX, or Sedevacantist are doing the work of the devil.  


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    Proud "European American" and prouder, still, Catholic


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    « Reply #5 on: August 17, 2012, 02:14:21 PM »
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    Malleus

    Thanks for the prayers,  things at my home continue to decline.  My husband who has always been the head of our family is now confused, with tumors throughout his body, bone, lungs, and now the brain.  He has no chance according to the doctors.  So I must adjust to my new roll, that is being his authority now, because he is slipping away daily.  

    Also I have my mom age 97, living with me, who is suffering from heart failure, so she too can go to her eternity at any time.

    Please don't feel sorry for me, just pray for me to be strong enough to handle this heavy cross.   My adult children live all around me, just minutes away, so I have it much better than many other who have had to step up to the plate.  


    He has cancer? Is he in treatment? or pain meds?
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    « Reply #6 on: August 17, 2012, 06:30:12 PM »
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  • Belloc, yes, cancer, treatment of radiation to ease the bone cancer pain, pain meds that make him sleepy, but bone cancer is very painful, and I can't stand to see him in that much pain.  The pain meds, help me because at least I can watch him sleep instead of struggle with pain.    

    Please pray that the devil will not tempt him at the end, and that he will skip purgatory.  That is my prayer for him.  

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    « Reply #7 on: August 17, 2012, 06:33:21 PM »
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    Belloc, yes, cancer, treatment of radiation to ease the bone cancer pain, pain meds that make him sleepy, but bone cancer is very painful, and I can't stand to see him in that much pain.  The pain meds, help me because at least I can watch him sleep instead of struggle with pain.    

    Please pray that the devil will not tempt him at the end, and that he will skip purgatory.  That is my prayer for him.  



    Please be assured of my prayers.  :pray:



    Please ignore all that I have written regarding sedevacantism.


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    « Reply #8 on: August 17, 2012, 07:08:34 PM »
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    Please pray that the devil will not tempt him at the end, and that he will skip purgatory.  That is my prayer for him.  


    Here is something I posted in another thread, which may console you as it would explain why Our Lord in His infinite wisdom and clement providence, has allowed your husband to undergo such unspeakable horrors: tribulations which you and your family share:

    A Catholic who is noteworthy in the annals compiled by historians and lived a millennium or so ago may still be in Purgatory right now if he died in the state of grace but had one mortal sin or more duly absolved but for which he could not atone or make reparation.

    Remember that Our Lady of the Rosary at Fatima told the shepherd children that a departed peer of theirs was to burn in Purgatory until Doomsday: what could a young girl in the rural countryside of one of the most Catholic countries in Europe (at that time) have done to deserve such a severe sentence?

    One mortal sin alone, though duly absolved, according to St. Gertrude the Great and other Saints, can lead to a soul's imprisonment amidst the flames of Purgatory until Doomsday, for the malice of one mortal sin is infinite as it is an affront to the infinite sanctity and majesty of Our Lord, and the infinite graces He won for us during His Sacred Passion and distributed by the pure hands of the great Mother of God, the Mediatress of All Graces.

    The just soul itself, separated from the body and immediately apprehending all things in the light of God's wisdom, would plunge itself in the flames of Purgatory as long as it takes before it is pure and worthy enough to appear before the Lord God whom it loves and for whom it yearns with all its energies. This same love and yearning serve to intensify the pains and purification of Purgatory all the more, because the soul at once loves God and yearns for His beatific embrace, and yet detests the stains of sin and longs to be thoroughly cleansed therefrom, making Purgatory a willing debt to be paid but with great pain and love.

    However, such a soul does not merit thereby, because at death the soul cannot merit or demerit anymore. Purgatory is to be avoided by cultivating the interior life unto the ever-persevering progression through the purifying trials that are the threshold of the illuminative and unitive ways of the spiritual life: it is the life of mystical prayer which is the presage of heavenly beatitude and the state of the Saints' souls at death, who immediately transverse from this sublunary prison unto the celestial eternities of the beatific vision. This is the normal development of the life of prayer and grace, according to the teaching of Sts. Thomas Aquinas and John of the Cross, amongst others, as explained by such eminent theologians as Rev. Fr. Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange, O.P.


    Like the holy Martyrs whose horrendous tortures served to purify their senses and souls and enter into the mystical ways of prayer and grace as they were being executed, so the victims of such devastating illnesses such as cancer are given the opportunity to hasten unto a more intense life of prayer and grace.

    Even if the person cannot but say the Holy Names of Jesus and Mary, such devout acts in the midst of terrifying pains will be a Purgatory upon earth.

    Just pray at his side every day, and read to him from the works of the Saints and other approved authors. This will also serve as an illustrious example for your children and their families.

    With my own eyes I have seen how much fruit such a practice has borne, so that to this day the children of the families of the dying matriarchs and patriarchs of our family remember the prayers and spiritual readings that my parents offered by their bedsides.
    Please ignore all that I have written regarding sedevacantism.

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    « Reply #9 on: August 17, 2012, 08:44:44 PM »
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  • Myrna,

    I am terribly sorry.  

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    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    « Reply #10 on: August 17, 2012, 08:46:47 PM »
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  • I am sorry, Myrna. You and your family have my prayers.  :pray:


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    « Reply #11 on: August 17, 2012, 08:51:25 PM »
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  • As for the thread, I agree with Malleus and Myrna. God is not going to ask us on Judgement Day whether or not we thought these Popes were true Popes, but instead He will ask us if we kept the Faith. Very well said, Myrna.

    Some SSPXers and sedevacantists spend too much time arguing, as if the issue of a Pope is more important than the Faith itself. I don't mind discussions of the subject, but I have said before that such discussions can be a distraction.

    I'm also against sedes who spend their time smearing Archbishop LeFebvre just because he wasn't a sede. He wasn't perfect, but he should be given credit just for having the courage to defend Tradition, just as all others at the time who defended Tradition should also be given their due credit, instead of being judged on whether or not they thought the Chair was empty.

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    « Reply #12 on: August 17, 2012, 08:54:10 PM »
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    « Reply #13 on: August 17, 2012, 10:22:24 PM »
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  • Myrna,
    I am so sorry to hear of your heavy cross. Please know that you and your husband and family are in my poor prayers and I am sure also in the prayers of the many fellow Catholics who visit this site and see this thread.

    May the Sacred Heart of Jesus and the Immaculate Heart of Mary be your refuge and may all of the angels and saints come to your aid.  You and your husband and family will be in my thoughts and prayers.  I am glad to hear that you have adult children near you.  I am certain that they will help to carry you through this.  

    As for the thread topic, I completely agree with your post and I thank you for coming here to share your wisdom with us.  God bless you.
       

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    « Reply #14 on: August 17, 2012, 10:53:53 PM »
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    Please pray that the devil will not tempt him at the end, and that he will skip purgatory.  That is my prayer for him.  


    Here is something I posted in another thread, which may console you as it would explain why Our Lord in His infinite wisdom and clement providence, has allowed your husband to undergo such unspeakable horrors: tribulations which you and your family share:

    A Catholic who is noteworthy in the annals compiled by historians and lived a millennium or so ago may still be in Purgatory right now if he died in the state of grace but had one mortal sin or more duly absolved but for which he could not atone or make reparation.

    Remember that Our Lady of the Rosary at Fatima told the shepherd children that a departed peer of theirs was to burn in Purgatory until Doomsday: what could a young girl in the rural countryside of one of the most Catholic countries in Europe (at that time) have done to deserve such a severe sentence?

    One mortal sin alone, though duly absolved, according to St. Gertrude the Great and other Saints, can lead to a soul's imprisonment amidst the flames of Purgatory until Doomsday, for the malice of one mortal sin is infinite as it is an affront to the infinite sanctity and majesty of Our Lord, and the infinite graces He won for us during His Sacred Passion and distributed by the pure hands of the great Mother of God, the Mediatress of All Graces.

    The just soul itself, separated from the body and immediately apprehending all things in the light of God's wisdom, would plunge itself in the flames of Purgatory as long as it takes before it is pure and worthy enough to appear before the Lord God whom it loves and for whom it yearns with all its energies. This same love and yearning serve to intensify the pains and purification of Purgatory all the more, because the soul at once loves God and yearns for His beatific embrace, and yet detests the stains of sin and longs to be thoroughly cleansed therefrom, making Purgatory a willing debt to be paid but with great pain and love.

    However, such a soul does not merit thereby, because at death the soul cannot merit or demerit anymore. Purgatory is to be avoided by cultivating the interior life unto the ever-persevering progression through the purifying trials that are the threshold of the illuminative and unitive ways of the spiritual life: it is the life of mystical prayer which is the presage of heavenly beatitude and the state of the Saints' souls at death, who immediately transverse from this sublunary prison unto the celestial eternities of the beatific vision. This is the normal development of the life of prayer and grace, according to the teaching of Sts. Thomas Aquinas and John of the Cross, amongst others, as explained by such eminent theologians as Rev. Fr. Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange, O.P.


    Like the holy Martyrs whose horrendous tortures served to purify their senses and souls and enter into the mystical ways of prayer and grace as they were being executed, so the victims of such devastating illnesses such as cancer are given the opportunity to hasten unto a more intense life of prayer and grace.

    Even if the person cannot but say the Holy Names of Jesus and Mary, such devout acts in the midst of terrifying pains will be a Purgatory upon earth.

    Just pray at his side every day, and read to him from the works of the Saints and other approved authors. This will also serve as an illustrious example for your children and their families.

    With my own eyes I have seen how much fruit such a practice has borne, so that to this day the children of the families of the dying matriarchs and patriarchs of our family remember the prayers and spiritual readings that my parents offered by their bedsides.


    Dear Myrna,

    With you by his side and Our Lady at hand, how could the devil have any chance?

    But just to be sure, keep holy water and maybe a saint's relic at hand. If he's
    able to hear you, or even if it doesn't seem that he is, no matter, be sure to at
    least pray the Apostle's Creed slowly to him, quietly. You might see his lips move
    to the prayer even if he can't speak.

    You are very fortunate to have him in his last hours, and your mother too. It may
    seem like a lot for you, but God doesn't give us anything we can't handle, with His
    grace for our aid. Be sure to pray for His grace. The way we know whether
    something is God's will, is, if it happens; and there is nothing within reason for us
    to do to stop it.

    Our Father, Who art in heaven, Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done, on earth as
    it is in heaven...

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