Author Topic: Other kind of trad? (Read 2025 times)

Trinity · « **on:** August 20, 2006, 11:23:33 AM »

I was just over on Angelqueen.org and they seem to have a totally different view from us. They are pro Israel from the looks of things. What a lot of hybrids we are.

Dawn · « **Reply #1 on:** August 20, 2006, 01:14:29 PM »

You are right, I got so tired of BUSH BUSH rah rah that is one of the reasons I left. That and the way they blast what I guess we could call "conservative" and sede Catholics.
Dawn
AKA Catholicmonarchistmom

Matthew · « **Reply #2 on:** August 20, 2006, 02:15:53 PM »

It sad to hear that about Angelqueen.org, especially since they are supposed to be very SSPX there.

I am a fervent supporter of the SSPX, but as you know, I am well aware of how the world works, and the machinations of the Jєωs behind the scenes.

I was taught all about the economy, the evil of paying interest, and the scheme of the Jєωs to control money, the media, etc. when I was about 12 -- from a very wise older man. I consider that a very great grace. I have built on it ever since, really only filling in the details. This older man was more or less "independent" as far as what branch of Traditional Catholic he was.

Anyhow, after him starting me down the path of "love of Truth", the next most important influence on me was Bishop Williamson. He always placed the blame where it belonged -- which includes the gentile nations apostatizing from the Catholic Faith. If all Christendom were still Catholic, the Jєωs would have no power. But since everyone wants to be a protestant suburbanite now...

In short, the SSPX in no way endorses President Bush. But the SSPX doesn't screen their chapels (as that would be wrong); the people in the pews are often ignorant about the Crisis in the Church, etc. but that isn't the Society's fault per se. I believe it is to be blamed on the people themselves, their attachments to TV (against the advice of their SSPX priests) and other worldly attitudes. Most people in the world are brainwashed -- so it is no surprise that many parishioners are brainwashed as well.

The chapels can't give a quiz on "The Protocols of Zion" to allow admission -- that would just be wrong. (Besides, it would be lonely at Mass!)

The SSPX is only trying to help every Catholic. Unfortunately, many Catholics want to be worldly, which is the situation you find in any century of Church history. Most people are average. If sanctity were average, there would be nothing special about it!

Same goes for leadership. There's a reason why all popular sports involve ONE leader type person (quarterback, etc.), and the rest are just grunts. The sports work because they take human nature into account. Most men are followers.

In Christ,

Matthew

Quo Vadis Petre · « **Reply #3 on:** August 20, 2006, 02:54:49 PM »

Quote from: Trinity

I was just over on Angelqueen.org and they seem to have a totally different view from us. They are pro Israel from the looks of things. What a lot of hybrids we are.

Actually, those are just a few posters who are pro-Israel. Many of the pro-Israel posters at AQ have been banned for talking so rudely and arrogantly. The owner of AQ, servitium, does not buy into the pro-Israel stuff. In fact, he was the one who started the Lebanon - Catholic Action Needed thread.

Matthew · « **Reply #4 on:** August 20, 2006, 03:35:17 PM »

What do you mean exactly?

If you're wondering why the "mob" usually doesn't pick the right path, that makes sense. The mob is always stupid and mindless. That's democracy's fatal flaw.

That's also why all the great empires have been republics(Rome, America), or monarchies -- not democracies properly speaking (which is where everything is called up for a vote; basically mob rule).

Matthew

Matthew · « **Reply #5 on:** August 20, 2006, 04:38:43 PM »

Probably because being Traditional is harder -- you have to drive a ways to Mass, you have to stand apart from the world and be scorned, etc.

And it's always easier on human nature to be accepted by all, and to go with the flow.

It's another case of "if heroic virtue were common, it wouldn't be extraordinary".

That's why the Church tells us who the saints ARE, not who was NOT a saint -- it is quicker to list everyone who had heroic virtue :)

Matthew · « **Reply #6 on:** August 20, 2006, 11:59:41 PM »

If you're talking about the Bishops at Vatican II, actually they had a slightly deficient (or at least flawed) education, since many of them had Modernist professors back in the 40's when they were at University.

Matthew

Telesphorus · « **Reply #7 on:** December 15, 2011, 11:00:24 PM »

The neo-SSPX is neocon.

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=712#p1

Matthew · « **Reply #8 on:** December 16, 2011, 12:42:07 AM »

What's with the necro-bumping, Tele?

It isn't the first time you've done it, either. Do you spend your days poring over the archives?

Not exactly a crime, I suppose, but...why?

Telesphorus · « **Reply #9 on:** December 16, 2011, 12:57:13 AM »

I look over the threads that guests are viewing and when I see one that's interesting I bump it. It's a matter of boredom. Sometimes I see there's something I didn't comment on that I think is worthy of comment. Sometimes I probably comment when there's not sufficient reason, but it seems like there's sufficient reason at the time.

Wessex · « **Reply #10 on:** December 16, 2011, 06:15:33 AM »

I doubt whether the new generations of trads are going to be as radically traditional as the older ones. The type of priest and layman that boldly rejected the conciliar order in the early days will not be replicated in the same numbers and a more liberal approach to a Catholic revival is being adopted. Leaving aside those who just want the smells and bells, some people though critical of the conciliar church would frown upon Catholic militancy in the world if it means causing them trouble. Not for them the struggle of the early Christians! In fact a recent poll on Ignis Ardens revealed a large percentage now happy to do a deal with Rome.

John Grace · « **Reply #11 on:** December 16, 2011, 06:33:20 AM »

Quote from: Matthew

It sad to hear that about Angelqueen.org, especially since they are supposed to be very SSPX there.

I am a fervent supporter of the SSPX, but as you know, I am well aware of how the world works, and the machinations of the Jєωs behind the scenes.

I was taught all about the economy, the evil of paying interest, and the scheme of the Jєωs to control money, the media, etc. when I was about 12 -- from a very wise older man. I consider that a very great grace. I have built on it ever since, really only filling in the details. This older man was more or less "independent" as far as what branch of Traditional Catholic he was.

Anyhow, after him starting me down the path of "love of Truth", the next most important influence on me was Bishop Williamson. He always placed the blame where it belonged -- which includes the gentile nations apostatizing from the Catholic Faith. If all Christendom were still Catholic, the Jєωs would have no power. But since everyone wants to be a protestant suburbanite now...

In short, the SSPX in no way endorses President Bush. But the SSPX doesn't screen their chapels (as that would be wrong); the people in the pews are often ignorant about the Crisis in the Church, etc. but that isn't the Society's fault per se. I believe it is to be blamed on the people themselves, their attachments to TV (against the advice of their SSPX priests) and other worldly attitudes. Most people in the world are brainwashed -- so it is no surprise that many parishioners are brainwashed as well.

The chapels can't give a quiz on "The Protocols of Zion" to allow admission -- that would just be wrong. (Besides, it would be lonely at Mass!)

The SSPX is only trying to help every Catholic. Unfortunately, many Catholics want to be worldly, which is the situation you find in any century of Church history. Most people are average. If sanctity were average, there would be nothing special about it!

Same goes for leadership. There's a reason why all popular sports involve ONE leader type person (quarterback, etc.), and the rest are just grunts. The sports work because they take human nature into account. Most men are followers.

In Christ,

Matthew

Excellent points made there,Matthew.

John Grace · « **Reply #12 on:** December 16, 2011, 06:34:39 AM »

This thread fits in with this one.
http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Discussion-on-the-Two-Swords

pax · « **Reply #13 on:** December 16, 2011, 07:02:14 AM »

Quote from: Wessex

I doubt whether the new generations of trads are going to be as radically traditional as the older ones. The type of priest and layman that boldly rejected the conciliar order in the early days will not be replicated in the same numbers and a more liberal approach to a Catholic revival is being adopted. Leaving aside those who just want the smells and bells, some people though critical of the conciliar church would frown upon Catholic militancy in the world if it means causing them trouble. Not for them the struggle of the early Christians! In fact a recent poll on Ignis Ardens revealed a large percentage now happy to do a deal with Rome.

As a rule, the early Christians were gentle and soft-spoken and knew for Whom they were being persecuted. The militancy in the Church didn't really begin until the conversion of Clovis, and it was never purely religious.