[ascanio1]

I'd recommend the Dimonds' videos on Orthodoxy. They provide quite good refutations of the Orthodox position. Disclaimer: The Dimonds are sedevacantist but their videos refuting Orthodoxy are unrelated to that.

I could not find them on YouTube. Can you provide me with a link, please?

I am not trying to convert my wife as we exchanged promises: She would let me raise our children Catholic and I would never try to convert her. I am interested for my personal educatoin.

[Nadir]

Tommaso, You wish to raise your child a Catholic and your wife complies with your wish. You are greatly blessed.

But I was very disturbed to hear that you send your child to an Opus Dei school. There are many good-willed Opus Dei adherents, but they are vehemently opposed to tradition and absolutely supporters of Vatican 2 and newchurch. The higher echelons are wolves in sheeps' coats with a patina of devout Catholicity. They are a danger to the faith. Please check it out here on this site and wherever you are able. 

May God bless and protect your family.

[Matto]

There are many good-willed Opus Dei adherents, but they are vehemently opposed to tradition and absolutely supporters of Vatican 2 and newchurch.

Is this true? Are Opus Dei really opposed to tradition? I thought that they might be all for the Extraordinary Form said ad orientem by priests wearing cilices. It surprises me a little because they are supposed to be very devoted to their founder, Escriva and he asked for an indult for all of the Opus Dei priests to continue saying the Latin Mass and not the Novus Ordo, but Paul VI refused. He allowed Escriva himself to say the Old Mass, but the rest of the Opus Dei priests had to say the Novus Ordo. So I thought because of that that modern day Opus Dei priests might be for the Latin Mass. That and together with the image that they are an elite order of uber-Catholics above the normal laity which would also be supported by saying the Extraordinary Form in my mind.

[Nadir]

Matto, they are deceivers and many are deceived. You should take this to and OD thread or start a new one perhaps.

[Jaynek]

I do agree with you re Cathinfo flavours when addressing Jєωs, geocentrism and similar matters but I appreciate challenging perspectives as I hope that my intellect and heart will distinguish which are true and which are not.

I have very close Jєωιѕн friends and I cannot bring myself to believe that the Sun revolves around the Earth but this did not stop me from reading and investigating this community's stances on these topics. I did not come out convinced but I did come our more informed.

I am a convert from Judaism so, as you may imagine, I often find the tone taken towards Jєωs rather disconcerting.  Yet there really is something very wrong with the conciliar approach to Jєωs and Judaism. Most conciliar Catholics probably have heretical beliefs on the subject at this point. I suspect that some of the hostility that seems to exist here around that subject is a reaction to that wrongness.  It is worth looking into with an open mind, but probably after you have dealt with your more pressing issues. 

While I have not reached a point of adopting geocentrism, I do think it is important for Catholics to realize that the popular understanding of the events surrounding Galileo are wildly distorted.  It was not a matter of the Church opposing science and reason, as it is so often portrayed.  The Church has nothing to apologize for in her actions at that time.  

[MiserereMeiDeus]

Some things just don't exist.

Long story short, there ARE some good Trad Catholics not on CathInfo, but they aren't on any other forum. They are offline or aloof from forums.

Well that's a load of self-serving tripe.

[ascanio1]

Tommaso, You wish to raise your child a Catholic and your wife complies with your wish. You are greatly blessed.

But I was very disturbed to hear that you send your child to an Opus Dei school. There are many good-willed Opus Dei adherents, but they are vehemently opposed to tradition and absolutely supporters of Vatican 2 and newchurch. The higher echelons are wolves in sheeps' coats with a patina of devout Catholicity. They are a danger to the faith. Please check it out here on this site and wherever you are able.

May God bless and protect your family.

Nadir, you have no idea what a challenge it is!

The school is not helping me and, recently, I have been rebuked by an administrator (Opus Dei) on a school WhatsApp conversation group for suggesting that we pray for thos who have inverted sɛҳuąƖ preferences and hope that they may find a cure.

The Crucifix is not affixed in classes and, when I brought one, it was placed behind a cupboard.

My daughter is not allowed to say Grace before meals.

Girls have to wear pants (I add a skirt on top).

I could go on and on.

This, plus Italy's godless and leftists society and environment, have induced my wife and I to look for a better country where to move to. We are seriously considering Hungary, next year, although financial concerns must be resolved, first. In Hungary we could not find any Catholic schools. We found only non denominational Christian schools (Greater Grace International, in Budapest).

An American lady that attends FSSPX Mass in Naples, suggested that plain, non denominational, Christian school are better than bad Catholic ones. She suggested that we can build on Christian foundations by adding Catholic catechism, at home, correcting errors. We spoke to the principal and he illustrated the religious curricula: only bible, no denominations. So no Eucharist, no Marian teachings, etc., but also none of the protestant perspectives concerning salvation, etc.. 

We are partially convinced and, so, we are also contemplating founding, from zero, a Catholic, traditional, international, conservative school.

Something like this:



or this



and we are actively talking to banks, in Budapest, to finance the project. We are drawing a business plans based on my long time experience with preschool and primary school. I was a stake holder and start-up operator in my family of origin's enterprise: Asili Matarazzo http://www.littlestarinternationalschool.com/ . After we opened five schools I left the group because the major stakeholder decided to veer towards globalism.

This is why I asked on this forum if anyone knew of traditonal Catholics in Hungary.

I am also actively trying to speak to the FSSPX but, so far, my local FSSPX parish priest is not impressed with my project and did not escalate it. I am now talking to the ICK who seem more interested.

Thank you for your warnings. I found out the hard way, by myself.

[ascanio1]

Is this true? Are Opus Dei really opposed to tradition? I thought that they might be all for the Extraordinary Form said ad orientem by priests wearing cilices. It surprises me a little because they are supposed to be very devoted to their founder, Escriva and he asked for an indult for all of the Opus Dei priests to continue saying the Latin Mass and not the Novus Ordo, but Paul VI refused. He allowed Escriva himself to say the Old Mass, but the rest of the Opus Dei priests had to say the Novus Ordo. So I thought because of that that modern day Opus Dei priests might be for the Latin Mass. That and together with the image that they are an elite order of uber-Catholics above the normal laity which would also be supported by saying the Extraordinary Form in my mind.

Matto, read my reply to Nadir...
The underlying theme is: we must not offend non Catholics.

[ascanio1]

I am a convert from Judaism so, as you may imagine, I often find the tone taken towards Jєωs rather disconcerting.  Yet there really is something very wrong with the conciliar approach to Jєωs and Judaism. Most conciliar Catholics probably have heretical beliefs on the subject at this point. I suspect that some of the hostility that seems to exist here around that subject is a reaction to that wrongness.  It is worth looking into with an open mind, but probably after you have dealt with your more pressing issues.

While I have not reached a point of adopting geocentrism, I do think it is important for Catholics to realize that the popular understanding of the events surrounding Galileo are wildly distorted.  It was not a matter of the Church opposing science and reason, as it is so often portrayed.  The Church has nothing to apologize for in her actions at that time.  

Jaynek, I am extreemely interested in both subjects: our relationship with Jєωs and the Church's stance regarding Galileo. I encourage my Jєωιѕн friends to "perfect" themselvs and a few have attended Mass with me and questioned me later on in long conversations.

I would welcome a new thread about both topics but, having read what tones sorround these conversations, I fear that your voice could be overwhelmed (not always politely) in this community.

In all honesty, this is the only criticism that I can move to this community: the tones of some replies do not incite or generate more interest... to the contrary aggressive tones may put off most readers. I propose that hostile and hateful tones do not make an argument more convicing but, in fact, are counterproductive to the cause being espoused. Those who attacks the character of the interlocutor instead of the idea, generally, are the ones who's ideas cannot stand up by themselves.

Search for my very first thread and look at what reply I received...

Mind you, I am 100% in favour of free speech. So much so that i would not censor any language whatsoever, not even blasphemy, as God will judge and punish.

[Mark 79]

I am a convert from Judaism so, as you may imagine, I often find the tone taken towards Jєωs rather disconcerting.  Yet there really is something very wrong with the conciliar approach to Jєωs and Judaism. Most conciliar Catholics probably have heretical beliefs on the subject at this point. I suspect that some of the hostility that seems to exist here around that subject is a reaction to that wrongness.  It is worth looking into with an open mind, but probably after you have dealt with your more pressing issues. …

Let's first translate that into theologically correct Catholic language:

"I am a convert from тαℓмυdic Judaism so, as you may imagine, I often find the tone taken towards Jєωs 'the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan, those who say they are Jєωs, and are not, but do lie' rather disconcerting.  Yet there really is something very wrong with the conciliar approach to Jєωs 'the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan, those who say they are Jєωs, and are not, but do lie' and Judaism.…"

Jaynek, you were not a Jєω until you entered the Church. You weren't a Jєω before your conversion, but are a Jєω now. Numerous proof texts here: http://judaism.is/covenants.html

Disconcerting? Well, there is an ongoing two millennial war between the Jєωs and the "Jєωs." The "tone" that disconcerts you is the the clear statement of indisputable facts. People of this age have become too accustomed to circuмlocutions, obliquities, smarmy euphemisms, and outright lies.

Your convert status has been evident before this announcement. To give you credit due, your attachment to tribal pride is detectable, but considerably less than the average convert from тαℓмυdic Judaism. Compare your traditionalism with the subversion by the Marranos of the apostate so-called "Hebrew-Catholics." You are way ahead. Don't be disconcerted by that. :-)

[ascanio1]

Let's first translate that into theologically correct Catholic language:

"I am a convert from тαℓмυdic Judaism so, as you may imagine, I often find the tone taken towards Jєωs 'the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan, those who say they are Jєωs, and are not, but do lie' rather disconcerting.  Yet there really is something very wrong with the conciliar approach to Jєωs 'the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan, those who say they are Jєωs, and are not, but do lie' and Judaism.…"

Jaynek, you were not a Jєω until you entered the Church. You weren't a Jєω before your conversion, but are a Jєω now. Numerous proof texts here: http://judaism.is/covenants.html

Disconcerting? Well, there is an ongoing two millennial war between the Jєωs and the "Jєωs." The "tone" that disconcerts you is the the clear statement of indisputable facts. People of this age have become too accustomed to circuмlocutions, obliquities, smarmy euphemisms, and outright lies.

Your convert status has been evident before this announcement. To give you credit due, your attachment to tribal pride is detectable, but considerably less than the average convert from тαℓмυdic Judaism. Compare your traditionalism with the subversion by the Marranos of the apostate so-called "Hebrew-Catholics." You are way ahead. Don't be disconcerted by that. :-)

Honestly... I don't understand half of what you wrote.

[Nadir]

We are partially convinced and, so, we are also contemplating founding, from zero, a Catholic, traditional, international, conservative school.

Something like this:



or this



and we are actively talking to banks, in Budapest, to finance the project. We are drawing a business plans based on my long time experience with preschool and primary school. I was a stake holder and start-up operator in my family of origin's enterprise: Asili Matarazzo http://www.littlestarinternationalschool.com/ . After we opened five schools I left the group because the major stakeholder decided to veer towards globalism.

This is why I asked on this forum if anyone knew of traditonal Catholics in Hungary.

I am also actively trying to speak to the FSSPX but, so far, my local FSSPX parish priest is not impressed with my project and did not escalate it. I am now talking to the ICK who seem more interested.

Thank you for your warnings. I found out the hard way, by myself.

Oh Boy! You do go in for things in a big way!

It would be a good thing to do, and obviously you have the experience and expertise. But why are you not homeschooling?

Opus Dei is a pit of snakes, as well as being anti-Tradition and actively newchurch. They are the ultimate in ecuмenism. It does not matter what religion you are; if you have money you are in. 

Did you ever hear of an Opus Dei Institution with a Catholic name. No St Patricks or St Ursulas or Lourdes College for them. That might identify them as Catholic to the wealthy folk they wish to attract. For the insiders and the naive, there is a pretence of conservative Catholic, but they are basically тαℓмυdists and Marranos. Not surprising that they hid the Crucifix.
http://www.opus-info.org/index.php?title=List_of_Opus_Dei-affiliated_foundations#International

I am relieved that your eyes have been opened

[Mark 79]

Honestly... I don't understand half of what you wrote.

Did you go to the provided link?
http://judaism.is/covenants.html

[forlorn]

Honestly... I don't understand half of what you wrote.

Boils down to this: Modern "Jєωs" aren't actually Jєωs at all, they are the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan. What he means by "you weren't a Jєω until you entered the Church" is that the Church is the new Israel, and Catholicism is the continuation of the faith of the Hebrew fathers. So we're the "real Jєωs" in a sense.

Of course that's all semantics that makes for very confusing discussion, so I(and 99% of people, even anti-Zionists) will refer to the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan as the Jєωs.

[Jaynek]

Jaynek, I am extreemely interested in both subjects: our relationship with Jєωs and the Church's stance regarding Galileo. I encourage my Jєωιѕн friends to "perfect" themselvs and a few have attended Mass with me and questioned me later on in long conversations.

I would welcome a new thread about both topics but, having read what tones sorround these conversations, I fear that your voice could be overwhelmed (not always politely) in this community.

If you would like to see an old post of mine about Galileo, here is a link: https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/galileo-was-wrong-and-the-church-was-right-to-condemn-him/. When you are ready for a discussion of the subject, we should make a point of putting it in the right subforum: The Earth God Made - Flat Earth, Geocentrism

Discussions about Jєωs and Judaism, depending on what aspect of the issue is the focus, could fit in various subforums so it is more flexible.  I have been participating on traditional Catholic forums for around 10 years now, so I am quite used to dealing with the sort of heated discussions that arise on this and other topics.

In all honesty, this is the only criticism that I can move to this community: the tones of some replies do not incite or generate more interest... to the contrary aggressive tones may put off most readers. I propose that hostile and hateful tones do not make an argument more convicing but, in fact, are counterproductive to the cause being espoused. Those who attacks the character of the interlocutor instead of the idea, generally, are the ones who's ideas cannot stand up by themselves.

Search for my very first thread and look at what reply I received...

Mind you, I am 100% in favour of free speech. So much so that i would not censor any language whatsoever, not even blasphemy, as God will judge and punish.

I have observed many different forums and have concluded that it is a matter of trade-offs.  Any forum that attempts to control "tone" ends up lacking free speech among other problems.  Like you, I sometimes find the tone here overly aggressive or emotionally loaded, but it is not something that I expect to change.  Over time, one learns which posters to avoid and which to seek out in order to find the posts that one most appreciates.