Author Topic: Oscar Romero (Read 3638 times)

clare · « **Reply #20 on:** May 28, 2013, 06:28:44 AM »

Quote from: DoubtingThomas

I am guessing Iota Unum is highly regarded by Lefebvrists-Traditionalists, I haven't read that book yet, but I don't even label myself as "traditionalist", I prefer to describe myself only as Catholic.

Archbishop Lefebvre said this of it:

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"A book has just appeared, Iota Unum, written by Professor Romano Amerio, who lives in the north of Italy. In my opinion, it is the most perfect book that has been written since the Council on the Council, its consequences, and everything that has been happening in the Church since. He examines every subject with a truly remarkable perfection. I was stupefied to see with what serenity he discusses everything, without the passion of polemics, but with untouchable arguments. I do not see how the current attitudes of Rome can still persist after the appearance of such a book. They are radically, definitively condemned, and with such precision, for he only uses their own texts, citations from Osservatore Romano. The whole is absolutely magnificent.
"One could base an entire course on this book, on the pre-Council, the Council, and post-Council. I assure you that not much is left standing. The Popes take a licking; he is not at all soft on the Popes, but he recounts their deeds, their words, everything. They stand condemned. In his epilogue he shows how the consequence is the dissolution of the Catholic religion. Nothing is left. But he says that since the Church is not going to perish ... there must be a remnant; after all, the good God said that the Church will not perish, therefore there must be a witness or the witness of a remnant that will keep the faith and tradition."

http://angeluspress.org/Iota-Unum

Ethelred · « **Reply #21 on:** May 28, 2013, 06:45:43 AM »

Quote from: poche

Opus Dei is not monasticism.

Yes. "Opus Dei" is fake-traditionalism, full concilarism, and cult-icism.

Or to use the words of Bishop Richard Williamson:

The mainstream Novus Ordo church is falling apart. There are recent signs in Canada of current priestly difficulties reaching up to a higher level, which fits Novus Ordo doctrine. When I teach that all sin is social, what individual behavior is still sinful? In at least one American seminary, crucifixes are having to be replaced with "resurrexifixes", and seminarians' spiritual direction is by women. In New York, besides spiritual direction, women are also taking over visiting of the sick and diocesan administration – when they are sufficiently in control, they plan to declare that they can say Mass.

The conservative Novus Ordo is little better. "Opus Dei" attracts decent Catholics in distress, pushes a pacifier of conservative appearances into their spiritual mouths, and then feeds them a pro-capitalist, pro-banks, pro-One-World doctrine of worldliness that is the same Revolution, only better disguised.

(Letters from the Rector, 1 February 1991)

DoubtingThomas · « **Reply #22 on:** May 28, 2013, 06:48:16 AM »

Quote from: clare

Quote from: DoubtingThomas
I am guessing Iota Unum is highly regarded by Lefebvrists-Traditionalists, I haven't read that book yet, but I don't even label myself as "traditionalist", I prefer to describe myself only as Catholic.

Archbishop Lefebvre said this of it:
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"A book has just appeared, Iota Unum, written by Professor Romano Amerio, who lives in the north of Italy. In my opinion, it is the most perfect book that has been written since the Council on the Council, its consequences, and everything that has been happening in the Church since. He examines every subject with a truly remarkable perfection. I was stupefied to see with what serenity he discusses everything, without the passion of polemics, but with untouchable arguments. I do not see how the current attitudes of Rome can still persist after the appearance of such a book. They are radically, definitively condemned, and with such precision, for he only uses their own texts, citations from Osservatore Romano. The whole is absolutely magnificent.
"One could base an entire course on this book, on the pre-Council, the Council, and post-Council. I assure you that not much is left standing. The Popes take a licking; he is not at all soft on the Popes, but he recounts their deeds, their words, everything. They stand condemned. In his epilogue he shows how the consequence is the dissolution of the Catholic religion. Nothing is left. But he says that since the Church is not going to perish ... there must be a remnant; after all, the good God said that the Church will not perish, therefore there must be a witness or the witness of a remnant that will keep the faith and tradition."

http://angeluspress.org/Iota-Unum

Clare,

Not every Catholic that rejects the second vatican council, loves the TLM, and does not recognize the authority of the Popes since John XXIII is a Lefebvrist.

I have not read that book yet, and I don't hold the positions from the late Monsignor Lefebvre as high as most of the people you are familiar with on this forum do.

Based on this, Lefebvre's "imprimatur" does not mean as much to me, as it means to you. Do not get me wrong, I'm not saying this to irritate you (or anyone here), I just have my own (very personal) point of view about many things, and not everything matches with the SSPX worldview/churchview.

Am I clear?

DoubtingThomas · « **Reply #23 on:** May 28, 2013, 07:24:13 AM »

Quote from: Ethelred

Quote from: poche
Opus Dei is not monasticism.

Yes. "Opus Dei" is fake-traditionalism, full concilarism, and cult-icism.

Or to use the words of Bishop Richard Williamson:

The mainstream Novus Ordo church is falling apart. There are recent signs in Canada of current priestly difficulties reaching up to a higher level, which fits Novus Ordo doctrine. When I teach that all sin is social, what individual behavior is still sinful? In at least one American seminary, crucifixes are having to be replaced with "resurrexifixes", and seminarians' spiritual direction is by women. In New York, besides spiritual direction, women are also taking over visiting of the sick and diocesan administration – when they are sufficiently in control, they plan to declare that they can say Mass.

The conservative Novus Ordo is little better. "Opus Dei" attracts decent Catholics in distress, pushes a pacifier of conservative appearances into their spiritual mouths, and then feeds them a pro-capitalist, pro-banks, pro-One-World doctrine of worldliness that is the same Revolution, only better disguised.

(Letters from the Rector, 1 February 1991)

If you can read Spanish, the very best book you could read about the Opus Dei is titled: "Opus Judei", its Author is unknown, but He uses a pseudonym: "Jose Escriba", which is the real name of the founder.

I am unaware if there are any English translations, but surely there are electronic versions from that book circulating somewhere over the internet.

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Clare,

I forgot to say, that the strongest point from the book titled: "the New Montinian Church" is that it is not only based on docuмents such as Polulorum Progressio, it takes into consideration the historical framework, and more importantly; it docuмents actions from Paul VI, the head of the Jesuits, and other progressive Priests from Latin America.

I do not argue the fact that some docuмents lead to some conclusions when you read them alone. But, on that book you learn that the real context in which such and such docuмents are to be interpreted is different. That's when you start to understand what I mean with "double-language".

poche · « **Reply #24 on:** June 11, 2013, 02:53:57 AM »

After Mgr. Vincenzo Paglia was received in an audience with the new Pope as President of the Pontifical Council for the Family and Postulator for the beatification cause of Oscar Romero, last 22 April, he immediately announced that the cause had been “unblocked” by Pope Francis. Francis’ move helped speed up the cause of the pastor-defender of the poor who was killed by a sniper as he celebrated mass.

The subject was brought up again by the auxiliary bishop of San Salvador, Gregorio Rosa Chávez who had worked with Romero as a priest. In an interview with Portuguese magazine Fatima Missionaria, published in a blog, Mgr. Chávez said Benedict XVI had already “unblocked” the beatificaton process. “The Postulator of the Cause (Paglia, Ed.) gave us two pieces of information. The first, which had not been made public, was to do with a conversation he had had with Benedict XVI, in which Ratzinger said Romero’s beatification cause needed to be unblocked. The second piece of information was that the Postulator announced that the Pope (Francis, Ed.) had asked him to unblock the process.”

http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/the-vatican/detail/articolo/romero-romero-romero-25531/