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Number CCXLV (245) 21 March 2012
OPEN REPLY TO OPEN LETTER OF MGR. NICOLA BUX
Monseigneur,
In an Open Letter of March 19, addressed to Bishop Fellay and to all priests of the SSPX, you appealed to us to accept the sincere and warm-hearted offer of reconciliation that Pope Benedict XVI is making to the SSPX for the healing of the long-standing rift between Rome and the SSPX. Let one of the SSPX bishops take upon himself to give you what he thinks might have been the answer of that “great churchman”, Archbishop Lefebvre.
Your letter begins with an appeal for “every sacrifice in the name of unity”. But there can be no true Catholic unity that is not grounded in the true Catholic Faith. The great Archbishop made every sacrifice for unity in the true doctrine of the Faith. Alas, the Doctrinal Discussions of 2009-2011 proved that the doctrinal rift between the Rome of Vatican II and the SSPX is as wide as ever. But Faith sacrificed for unity would be a faithless unity.
Of course the Church is an institution both divine and human. Of course the divine element cannot fail, so of course the Church cannot ultimately fail, and the sun will rise again. But one may beg to differ when you say that the dawn is close at hand, because that true Faith which the SSPX upheld in the Discussions is not shining out from the Rome of Vatican II, where accordingly the SSPX could not be in safety. Nor could it bring light if itself it adopted the Conciliar darkness.
The sincerity of the Pope’s wish to welcome back the SSPX into “full ecclesial communion”, as shown in a series of gestures of real good will, is not in doubt, but “ a common profession of faith” between the SSPX and believers in Vatican II is not possible, unless the SSPX were to desert that Faith which it defended in the Discussions. And when the SSPX cries “God forbid !” to such a desertion, far from its voice being stifled, it is heard all over the world.
Certainly, “this is the appropriate moment”, certainly “the favourable time is come” for that solution to the agonizing problems of Church and world which the heavenly Mother has long been calling for, and which depends upon the Holy Father alone. This clear solution has long been known.
How could Heaven possibly have left the world in such distress as that of the last 100 years without providing a solution like that provided by the prophet Elias for the leprosy of the Syrian General Namaan ? Humanly speaking, the solution seemed ridiculous, but nobody could say that it was not possible. It required merely some faith and humility. The pagan General gathered together enough faith and trust in the man of God to do what Heaven asked for, and of course he was cured instantaneously.
Let the Holy Father but gather together enough faith and trust in the promise of the Heavenly Mother! Let him but seize this “appropriate moment” before utter madmen succeed in launching the Third World War in the Middle East! Let him, we beg of him, we entreat him, save Church and world by merely doing what the Heavenly Mother asked for. It is not impossible. She would overcome all obstacles in his way. Certainly he alone can now save us from unimaginable and unnecessary suffering.
And if he wishes for any support in prayer or action with which the humble SSPX could help him to consecrate Russia to her Immaculate Heart in union with all the bishops of the world, whom the Heavenly Mother would rally, he knows that he could count first and foremost on the support of Bishop Fellay and the other three bishops of the SSPX, least among whom is
Your devoted servant in Christ,
+Richard Williamson.
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The Church has been blessed with Bishop Williamson, would that we had 1000 more of His Excellency.
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A thirty-second consecration and so many problems in this world would disappear so quickly. Absolutely unreal that these men still won't do it.
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- Our Lady of the Rosary at Fatima
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Strange- a Correction update was just sent with the following underlines:
Number CCXLV (245)
22 March 2012
OPEN REPLY TO OPEN LETTER OF MGR. NICOLA BUX (Corrected Edition)
(anticipating March 24, 2012, with permission to copy)
London, 22 March, 2012.
Monseigneur,
In an Open Letter of March 19, addressed to Bishop Fellay and to all priests of the Society of St Pius X, you appealed to us to accept the sincere and warm-hearted offer of reconciliation that Pope Benedict XVI is making to the SSPX for the healing of the long-standing rift between Rome and the SSPX. Let me as one of the SSPX priests that you addressed take upon myself to give you my opinion as to what might have been the answer of that “great churchman”, Archbishop Lefebvre.
Your letter begins with an appeal for “every sacrifice in the name of unity”. But there can be no true Catholic unity that is not grounded in the true Catholic Faith. The great Archbishop made every sacrifice for unity in the true doctrine of the Faith. Alas, the Doctrinal Discussions of 2009-2011 proved that the doctrinal rift between the Rome of Vatican II and the SSPX is as wide as ever.
To this rift you referred on March 19 as no more than “remaining perplexities, points to be deepened or detailed”, but on March 16 Cardinal Levada was categoric that the position taken by Bishop Fellay on January 12 is “insufficient to overcome the doctrinal problems”. Bishop Fellay once observed how the churchmen of Rome can differ among themselves, but be their unity what it may, in any case Faith sacrificed for unity would be a faithless unity.
Of course, as you remind us, the Church is an institution both divine and human. Of course the divine element cannot fail, so of course the Church cannot ultimately fail, and the sun will rise again. But one may beg to differ when you say that the dawn is close at hand, because that true Faith which the SSPX upheld in the Discussions is not shining out from the Rome of Vatican II, where accordingly the SSPX could not be in safety. Nor could it bring light if itself it adopted the Conciliar darkness.
The sincerity of the Pope’s wish to welcome back the SSPX into “full ecclesial communion”, as shown in a series of gestures of real good will, is not in doubt, but “a common profession of faith” between the SSPX and believers in Vatican II is not possible, unless the SSPX were to desert that Faith which it defended in the Discussions. And when the SSPX cries “God forbid !” to any such desertion, far from its voice being stifled, it is heard all over the world, and it bears for the Church Catholic fruits which today are the exception rather than the rule.
Certainly, “this is the appropriate moment”, certainly “the favourable time is come” for a solution to the agonizing problems of Church and world . However, it is that solution which the Heavenly Mother has long been calling for, and which depends upon the Holy Father alone. In fact when Our Lord put it in his Mother’s hands, she said that no other solution would work, so that He could not let any other solution work without making his Mother into a liar! Inconceivable.
The solution has been known of for a long time, for how could Heaven possibly have left the world in such distress as that of the last 100 years without providing a remedy like that provided by the prophet Elisha for the leprosy of the Syrian General Naaman ? Humanly speaking, bathing in the River Jordan seemed ridiculous, but nobody could say that it was not possible. It required merely some faith and humility. The pagan General gathered together enough faith and trust in the man of God to do what Heaven asked for, and of course he was cured instantaneously.
Let the Holy Father but gather together enough faith and trust in the promise of the Heavenly Mother ! Let him but seize this “appropriate moment” before the entire global economy collapses in ruins, and before madmen succeed in launching the Third World War in the Middle East ! Let him, we beg of him, we entreat him, save Church and world by merely doing what the Heavenly Mother asked for. It is not impossible. She would overcome all obstacles in his way. By doing what she asks for, he alone can now save us from unimaginable and unnecessary suffering.
And if he wishes for any support in prayer or action with which the humble SSPX could help him to consecrate Russia to her Immaculate Heart in union with all the bishops of the world, whom the Heavenly Mother would rally, he knows that he could count first and foremost on the support of Bishop Fellay and the other three bishops of the SSPX, least among whom is
Your devoted servant in Christ,
+Richard Williamson.
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It seems like every time I get inspired by the good bishop, he vacillates and is off in another direction.
WHY does he appeal to the modern church to do what Our Lady requested at Fatima?
The antipopes are responsible for concealing the Fatima secret.
I sometimes dont feel that His excellency will be strong enough to oppose the absorption of the SSPX into the NWO church.
Which apostle is he most like?
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It seems like every time I get inspired by the good bishop, he vacillates and is off in another direction.
WHY does he appeal to the modern church to do what Our Lady requested at Fatima?
Because he's not a sede.
I sometimes dont feel that His excellency will be strong enough to oppose the absorption of the SSPX into the NWO church.
I highly doubt that. I believe he has made it quite clear that he would not support it.
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Same old stale arguments! He seems very supportive to the Novus Ordo Church in the letter.
He even signs it "Your devoted servant"
If the Modern Church is of Christ, we should all be there. If the modern church is antichrist, we shouldnt.
Our Lord said "He who is not with me is against me"
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How was what I said "the same old stale argument"? All I said was that, because Bishop Williamson is not a sede, of course he's going to ask the conciliar church to Consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. What he said in the letter is hardly any different than what Archbishop LeFebvre said to the conciliar church. That's not to say I would have written any such letter myself, I'm just saying.
And he's not going to support the Society's "reconcilliation" with Rome. Heck, he's practically been kicked out, so why would he support them?
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It seems like every time I get inspired by the good bishop, he vacillates and is off in another direction.
WHY does he appeal to the modern church to do what Our Lady requested at Fatima?
The antipopes are responsible for concealing the Fatima secret.
I sometimes dont feel that His excellency will be strong enough to oppose the absorption of the SSPX into the NWO church.
Which apostle is he most like?
:facepalm:
I don't see why you should care about Fatima at all, being a sedevacantist (i.e., You must conclude, given your doctrinal position, that Fatima is a giant hoax, since it would be impossible for "the Pope of 1960" to reveal the 3rd secret if there hasn't been a pope since 1958).
:facepalm:
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God bless and strengthen Bp. Williamson!
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ou must conclude, given your doctrinal position, that Fatima is a giant hoax, since it would be impossible for "the Pope of 1960" to reveal the 3rd secret if there hasn't been a pope since 1958).
Actually, Sr. Lucia gave the Third Secret to Pope Pius XII and told him not to reveal it until 1960. No one ever said "The Pope of 1960".
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Wasn't the secret was given to Pope Pius XII to be revealed NO LATER THAN 1960?
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Wasn't the secret was given to Pope Pius XII to be revealed NO LATER THAN 1960?
I'm pretty sure it was 1960.
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Same old stale arguments! He seems very supportive to the Novus Ordo Church in the letter.
He even signs it "Your devoted servant"
If the Modern Church is of Christ, we should all be there. If the modern church is antichrist, we shouldnt.
Our Lord said "He who is not with me is against me"
I sort of agree with the other statements here, though I'm not trying to gang up on you here Emerentiana-
But why should a sede expect of a non-sede Bishop a sede-esque response? Could it be because of his very strong, logical, and prudent position? While he is realistic in his response to the Crisis and criticizes when he needs to (which many sede's like), he can also be diplomatic and try to reach out to the other side (which many sede's don't like) by showing them the way of Our Lady; yet many fail to realize that doing this, does not need to entail wavering in his faith or principles.
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Wasn't the secret was given to Pope Pius XII to be revealed NO LATER THAN 1960?
I'm pretty sure it was 1960.
Well, that was pretty silly of Our Lady to say that, if there wouldn't have been a pope since 1958, eh?
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Our Lady did NOT say that.
Brother Michael of The Holy Trinity in The Whole Truth About Fatima, Vol. III, The Third Secret, p.465-479 says:
“…it seems very probable that Sister Lucy wanted Pius XII to learn the contents of the final Secret without any further delay.
Since that did not happen — and this is a third important truth for which we will furnish unquestionable proofs — between 1944 and 1946 it was agreed between Lucy and Bishop da Silva that the final Secret would be divulged in 1960.
(3) "It Must be Read to the World in 1960"
A series of unimpeachable witnesses allows us to establish this fact with absolute certitude. Let us quote first of all the decisive words of Canon Galamba, which alone would be sufficient for our demonstration:
"When the bishop refused to open the letter, Lucy made him promise that it would definitely be opened and read to the world either at her death or in 1960, whichever would come first."..”
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How was what I said "the same old stale argument"? All I said was that, because Bishop Williamson is not a sede, of course he's going to ask the conciliar church to Consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. What he said in the letter is hardly any different than what Archbishop LeFebvre said to the conciliar church. That's not to say I would have written any such letter myself, I'm just saying.
And he's not going to support the Society's "reconcilliation" with Rome. Heck, he's practically been kicked out, so why would he support them?
Cant you see the contradictions there? He wants the modernist heretical church to consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, and still have no part of reconciliation with this church?
Do you think Our Lady would be pleased with this Modernist Church consecrating Russia to her heart? They have banned the true mass. They are the religion of the Antichrist.
True Catholics want no part of this.
In the 70's a priest said to us "Take a bath, and become a true Catholic".
The bottom line is, you recognize the modern Church and its "Pope" which has broken away from the true Catholic church by apostasy, or you don't. Their is no middle ground.
If Bishop Williamson is kicked out of this institution, its a sign that he does not go along. He has to get the courage to do the correct and logical thing. He either has to remain faithful to all of the teachings of the true Church, or join the apostasy.
In the future, he will have to take a stand against the antichrist church. I believe he will, when the modern faction of the SSPX reconciles with Rome.
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Our Lady did NOT say that.
Brother Michael of The Holy Trinity in The Whole Truth About Fatima, Vol. III, The Third Secret, p.465-479 says:
“…it seems very probable that Sister Lucy wanted Pius XII to learn the contents of the final Secret without any further delay.
Since that did not happen — and this is a third important truth for which we will furnish unquestionable proofs — between 1944 and 1946 it was agreed between Lucy and Bishop da Silva that the final Secret would be divulged in 1960.
(3) "It Must be Read to the World in 1960"
A series of unimpeachable witnesses allows us to establish this fact with absolute certitude. Let us quote first of all the decisive words of Canon Galamba, which alone would be sufficient for our demonstration:
"When the bishop refused to open the letter, Lucy made him promise that it would definitely be opened and read to the world either at her death or in 1960, whichever would come first."..”
Good docuмentation.
Argument conceded.
I was wrong.
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Our Lady did NOT say that.
Brother Michael of The Holy Trinity in The Whole Truth About Fatima, Vol. III, The Third Secret, p.465-479 says:
“…it seems very probable that Sister Lucy wanted Pius XII to learn the contents of the final Secret without any further delay.
Since that did not happen — and this is a third important truth for which we will furnish unquestionable proofs — between 1944 and 1946 it was agreed between Lucy and Bishop da Silva that the final Secret would be divulged in 1960.
(3) "It Must be Read to the World in 1960"
A series of unimpeachable witnesses allows us to establish this fact with absolute certitude. Let us quote first of all the decisive words of Canon Galamba, which alone would be sufficient for our demonstration:
"When the bishop refused to open the letter, Lucy made him promise that it would definitely be opened and read to the world either at her death or in 1960, whichever would come first."..”
Good docuмentation.
Argument conceded.
I was wrong.
Dear Seraphim,
I am happy to have helped.
Well done for your sincere acceptance of the truth.
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Cant you see the contradictions there? He wants the modernist heretical church to consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, and still have no part of reconciliation with this church?
Bishop Williamson, again, is not a sede, so of course he's going to ask Benedict to Consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. You should also keep in mind that it must be done by a Pope, with all of the Bishops present. In fact, some Prophecies say that the Pope elected after Benedict will be the one to Consecrate Russia.
If Bishop Williamson is kicked out of this institution, its a sign that he does not go along.
He has already been "de facto" kicked out. In other words, he is not officially kicked out of the Society, but it's about the equivalent.