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Traditional Catholic Faith => General Discussion => Topic started by: The Cub on May 08, 2007, 12:24:19 PM
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Why let a little thing like the US Constitution get in the way? The NWO guys are getting bolder... :really-mad2:
Bush OKs 'integration' with European Union
Congress never asked about new obligation
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55584 (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55584)
On the North American Union
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/era-of-peace/message/344 (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/era-of-peace/message/344)
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What's Radio Frequency Identification? It looks like someone is taking some action with some results. God helps those who help themselves.
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RFID is the precursor to the Subdermal Microchip, the Mark of the Beast. See below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7pHb7bPfMc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7pHb7bPfMc)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/era-of-peace/message/354 (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/era-of-peace/message/354)
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"implementing RFID (Radio Frequency Identification) technologies,"
Bush is doing this? Why aren't the people screaming bloody murder? What's the good of this information if we do nothing about it? Wouldn't it be kinder to leave people in blissful ignorance?
"we should not accept the smart cards as they will lead to acceptance of the Chip."
That's my take, too. Anything we accept, we act on.
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Scripture speaks of the Beast like a Leopard .....a leopard lives in the shadows, and moves in stealth.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/era-of-peace/message/198 (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/era-of-peace/message/198)
Why don't they rebel? They have been programmed to discount 'conspiracy theories'. They don't want to hear anything about this....they want to discuss the stock market, their forthcoming vacation, what happened on American Idol last night, what they are going to do this weekend, etc.
Do you remember the story about putting a frog into a pot of boiling water vs. putting him in a pot of cool water and turning up the heat until he boils?
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Yeah, I do remember that story. But somewhere I read that a frog would actually get out when it got too warm. If that is true, then frogs are smarter than humans.
I also read lately that Rep. Ron Paul (TX) was in a debate with two other republicans who are in the running to be the candidate for president. Paul got 69% of the votes in a poll and the other two got about 10% each, but the media ignored Paul and claimed the other two as victors. We could paper this country with the news about Paul, but I'll bet we won't. So the generally dumb public will vote for one of those puppets in the elections. Heck, the man wouldn't even need much of a campaign fund if the people got active.
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David Rockefeller speaking at the Bilderberger meeting in Baden-Baden, Germany in 1991 (also attended by then Governor Bill Clinton), states,
"We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years." He went on to explain: "It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supernational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries." (1991)
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My opinion of Rockefeller's speech.... :cussing:
I know the media is in on it. That's why I said we could paper the country with information on Paul and urge people to vote for him. But I doubt that we will do it. The majority of people have already voted for him, but may not have the sense to know that they can over ride the elite's plots. I've seen the outcry of the people turn things around on enough occasions to know that it does work and there's not a thing that "they" can do about it.
Mostly, though, the people are convinced that they are helpless, and because of that they ARE helpless. The power is there to stop, or at least hinder, what is going on. So what is God to think of us, who could change things and don't. That we honor these things only with our lips? What else could He think?
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Here it comes....
North America 'partnership' fast-tracked in border bill
Calls for speedier regional economic integration between U.S., Mexico
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55787
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Here's another, perhaps major, aspect to this.
http://www.rense.com/general76/DIDM.HTM
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Here it comes....
North America 'partnership' fast-tracked in border bill
Calls for speedier regional economic integration between U.S., Mexico
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55787
Will this be something similar to the Schengen Treaty here in Europe?
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Enlighten me...I am not familiar with the Schengen Treaty.
I thought Maastricht was the key treaty forming the EU.
Can't remember the details of how the EU was formed since 1992.....but what is happening here is the forthcoming uniting of Canada, USA & Mexico in incremental steps of stealth.
They then plan to unite all of the Americas....and to unite Asia.
Then they will unite the Asian, American and European Unions into world government.
and the AC will raise his ugly head... :devil2:
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Cub, I have to postpone my answer to next week when I'll have my book of history of European unification available that is now at my home in Parma (I study in Milan) that I have to prepare for the Economy of European Integration exam.
Wait, and then I'll translate some key passages from it! :wink:
Anyway, Schengen treaty allows for free circulation of people and goods throughout all Europe. And Maastricht Treaty is the one that is completing the process of european integration started in 1957 with the Treaty of Rome willed by liberal Catholics Adenauer, De Gasperi and the French prime MInister of the time (I never remember his name... :sad:)
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Globalists Plan to Merge N. America; then Merge it with C. & S. America
http://www.augustreview.com/news_commentary/north_american_union/amnesty_and_foot_stompin%27_globalists_2007053164/ (http://www.augustreview.com/news_commentary/north_american_union/amnesty_and_foot_stompin%27_globalists_2007053164/)
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Trying again below...
...um...apparently, it didn't work. Can somebody fix it (and delete this post)? Thanks!
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TheCub, as I posted on Fisheaters:
I would be very cautious of this John Leary character (http://www.johnleary.com/about.htm):
John has attended daily Mass and received Holy Communion every day since he was 17 years old, excepting sickness. He has been receiving messages from Jesus and Mary since his 1993 trip to Medjugorje.
Below, I am posting a portion of an article about Medjugorje. The remainder can be found at THIS (http://www.olrl.org/prophecy/medjugorje.shtml) link. Enjoy:
Medjugorje: Not Approved by the Church
"But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel to you other than that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema!" (Gal. 1:9)
The past few decades have witnessed a proliferation of supposed apparitions of Our Lady. These claims of supernatural events have captured the interest of very many Catholics and have been the source of innumerable pilgrimages. Because of the deceitful artifices of the Evil One, who has so much influence today, it is extremely essential for the faithful to be wary of all such claims and to use the clear guides that the Church has given us to discern if events such as those occurring at Garabandal, Conyers, Bayside, and so on are from God or not. These guides are two: alignment of the apparitions with Church doctrine and the approbation of the Church. If either of these two principles is negated, we are committing a serious error if we give credence to the apparition, for this is a crystal clear sign that it is false and therefore from the Devil.
It is the purpose of this paper to show that, using these two guides, it is certain that the most popular of the recent averred Marian appearances, those at Medjugorje, are in every respect false and repudiated by the Church.
Medjugorje: Warned Against by the Hierarchy
It is the duty of the local bishop of the diocese in which supposed supernatural events take place to study and confirm or deny the legitimacy of the claims being made. The bishop in the diocese to which Medjugorje belongs, Msgr. Zanic of Mostar, remitted this duty by forming a diocesan commission to do an impartial inquiry into the events that had been taking place since 1981. After a few years of thorough and intense investigative study, which the Church always exercises to determine an unmistakable decision in these matters, the Bishop issued a statement in 1986 giving the results of the study. In the statement, Msgr. Zanic proclaimed that these apparitions are not made by the most Holy Virgin Mary and he forbade the pilgrimages set up from the beginning without ecclesiastical approval by the pastor of Mostar.
In a resulting interview given by Fr. Deleclos of the Libre Belgique, Msgr. Zanic was asked: "Are you, as a matter of principle, against apparitions?" The Bishop replied: "Quite the contrary! I myself have been eight times to Lourdes and I have organized pilgrimages. I have done much for the devotion to the Most Holy Virgin. I was even in Banneux, in Beauraign (Belgium), and Syracuse (Italy), three places where the apparitions of Mary had been stated as authentic."
"However, you are not convinced of this in Medjugorje?" Reply: "I should really be glad to have a Lourdes in my diocese. It would be something grandiose. But I cannot before God, before my conscience and before the Church proclaim these apparitions are authentic and supernatural. I am certainly a sinner and unworthy to be a bishop, yet I believe it would be the worst of all the sins of my life to let this falseness pass for truth, knowing that it is a lie." Despite these words of the Bishop, which the faithful should accept as a decision from God, people continued to flock to Medjugorje and the priest did not desist from organizing pilgrimages as ordered.
Another committee on the national level, composed of 20 bishops, was organized to decide on the "apparitions". This committee also spent several years in patiently studying the matter and finally in November 1990 issued a statement which concluded that there is no proof that Marian apparitions have occurred at Medjugorje. This statement was approved nearly unanimously, with 19 bishops in favor and one abstaining. A Vatican doctrinal official said the bishops' statement against defining the apparitions as supernatural should be accepted by the faithful around the world. (See CWNews report below for recent statements by the Church's hierarchy).
Regardless of these testimonies by the most competent authorities in the Church, many refuse to heed the Church's decision and persist in going to Medjugorje. One wonders what authority would be sufficient to convince these travelers of the truth of the Church's clear and emphatic declaration. It is also disturbing to consider that, if the "apparitions" are not from God, from whence do they originate?
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The only problem with that is that the hierarchy (at least in Rome) smells worse than week old fish. About the only thing we really have to go on is the age old teaching and the evidence of their fruits. I have my own reasons for being leary of Leary, and Medjugorje's seers have shown us sufficient fruits, etc. Any other ideas, Pinoy?
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Medjugorje's seers have shown us sufficient fruits, etc.?
Are you saying that you approve of Medjugorje?
Any other ideas, Pinoy?
Um, read the rest of the article that I linked to please?
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I thought their fruits were obvious enough (money, power and prestige) to settle any thoughts of approving of them and their apparitions. But I don't approve of the vatican and all the chicanery going on there, either. Like Jesus said, a bad tree doesn't put forth good fruit, so what chance that their approval or disapproval is any more a good guide line then say, false ecuŠ¼enism.
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Oh, okay. Just making sure...
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Let's agree to disagree on Medjugorje.....and return to the topic of this thread, please.
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No. I'd rather not. The prophecies of your prophet here seem to be interconnected with an experience he had at Medjugorje, so it is of the utmost importance that we build this discussion on a solid foundation.
Perhaps the rest of the members here would like to weigh in on the discussion?
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North American union plan headed to Congress in fall
Powerful think tank prepares report on benefits of integration between U.S., Mexico, Canada
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55830 (http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55830)
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I think it is only honourable that you back up your original claim. Ignoring my messages is not helping you make your case.
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Perhaps you missed my post on the Roman Catholic Church's position on Medjugorje.
And you are above the Mystical Body of Christ?
Once again, this thread is about the NAU and the one world government that is developing before our eyes.
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Cub has a point, Pinoy. Why not start a thread to address these other issues.
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I personally believe that some of the material that you posted (not you, but the material) is complete modernist drivel, but I will cease and desist at this point.
As Trinity politely requested, another thread may be more appropriate. If others are willing to join in this debate, I will allow them to start the thread themselves.
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Ron Paul Answers Question About the North American Union
http://ianschwartz.com/2007/11/29/video-ron-paul-answers-question-about-north-american-union/ (http://ianschwartz.com/2007/11/29/video-ron-paul-answers-question-about-north-american-union/)
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NAU Integration Admitted by Canada Government (Yet denial continuies)
http://oldthinkernews.com/Articles/nau_integration_admitted_by_canada.htm (http://oldthinkernews.com/Articles/nau_integration_admitted_by_canada.htm)
Denying the North American Union
http://oldthinkernews.com/Articles/denying_the_north_american_union.htm (http://oldthinkernews.com/Articles/denying_the_north_american_union.htm)
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I can't believe how many people have their eyes closed about this North American Union thing. It's not just a conspiracy theory or something -- the evidence is all around us, in plain sight!
Matthew
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The Link is working again...[color=crimson]the following is an EXCELLENT Slide Show on the North American Union:[/color]
http://freedom.org/conferences/naugreen2/launch.html (http://freedom.org/conferences/naugreen2/launch.html)
http://freedom.org/conferences/naugreen2/player.html (http://freedom.org/conferences/naugreen2/player.html)
For add'l info on the North American Union see:
From the Shadows a North American Union is Forming
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/era-of-peace/message/344 (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/era-of-peace/message/344)
The North American Union Just a Staged Crisis Away
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/era-of-peace/message/380 (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/era-of-peace/message/380)
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