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Offline PinoyMonk

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« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2007, 09:24:57 PM »
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    Trying again below...

    ...um...apparently, it didn't work.  Can somebody fix it (and delete this post)?  Thanks!
    "In this difficult time, to be victorious, we must be steadfast using all of our strength and capabilities like brave soldiers fully armed in the battlefield ... Whatever happens, behave in such a way that God will be glorified."

    -Saint Andrew Kim

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    « Reply #16 on: June 05, 2007, 09:28:09 PM »
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  • TheCub, as I posted on Fisheaters:

    I would be very cautious of this John Leary character:

    Quote from: JohnLeary.com
    John has attended daily Mass and received Holy Communion every day since he was 17 years old, excepting sickness. He has been receiving messages from Jesus and Mary since his 1993 trip to Medjugorje.


    Below, I am posting a portion of an article about Medjugorje. The remainder can be found at THIS link. Enjoy:

    Quote from: OLRL.org
    Medjugorje: Not Approved by the Church
    "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel to you other than that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema!" (Gal. 1:9)

    The past few decades have witnessed a proliferation of supposed apparitions of Our Lady. These claims of supernatural events have captured the interest of very many Catholics and have been the source of innumerable pilgrimages. Because of the deceitful artifices of the Evil One, who has so much influence today, it is extremely essential for the faithful to be wary of all such claims and to use the clear guides that the Church has given us to discern if events such as those occurring at Garabandal, Conyers, Bayside, and so on are from God or not. These guides are two: alignment of the apparitions with Church doctrine and the approbation of the Church. If either of these two principles is negated, we are committing a serious error if we give credence to the apparition, for this is a crystal clear sign that it is false and therefore from the Devil.

    It is the purpose of this paper to show that, using these two guides, it is certain that the most popular of the recent averred Marian appearances, those at Medjugorje, are in every respect false and repudiated by the Church.

    Medjugorje: Warned Against by the Hierarchy

    It is the duty of the local bishop of the diocese in which supposed supernatural events take place to study and confirm or deny the legitimacy of the claims being made. The bishop in the diocese to which Medjugorje belongs, Msgr. Zanic of Mostar, remitted this duty by forming a diocesan commission to do an impartial inquiry into the events that had been taking place since 1981. After a few years of thorough and intense investigative study, which the Church always exercises to determine an unmistakable decision in these matters, the Bishop issued a statement in 1986 giving the results of the study. In the statement, Msgr. Zanic proclaimed that these apparitions are not made by the most Holy Virgin Mary and he forbade the pilgrimages set up from the beginning without ecclesiastical approval by the pastor of Mostar.

    In a resulting interview given by Fr. Deleclos of the Libre Belgique, Msgr. Zanic was asked: "Are you, as a matter of principle, against apparitions?" The Bishop replied: "Quite the contrary! I myself have been eight times to Lourdes and I have organized pilgrimages. I have done much for the devotion to the Most Holy Virgin. I was even in Banneux, in Beauraign (Belgium), and Syracuse (Italy), three places where the apparitions of Mary had been stated as authentic."

    "However, you are not convinced of this in Medjugorje?" Reply: "I should really be glad to have a Lourdes in my diocese. It would be something grandiose. But I cannot before God, before my conscience and before the Church proclaim these apparitions are authentic and supernatural. I am certainly a sinner and unworthy to be a bishop, yet I believe it would be the worst of all the sins of my life to let this falseness pass for truth, knowing that it is a lie." Despite these words of the Bishop, which the faithful should accept as a decision from God, people continued to flock to Medjugorje and the priest did not desist from organizing pilgrimages as ordered.

    Another committee on the national level, composed of 20 bishops, was organized to decide on the "apparitions". This committee also spent several years in patiently studying the matter and finally in November 1990 issued a statement which concluded that there is no proof that Marian apparitions have occurred at Medjugorje. This statement was approved nearly unanimously, with 19 bishops in favor and one abstaining. A Vatican doctrinal official said the bishops' statement against defining the apparitions as supernatural should be accepted by the faithful around the world. (See CWNews report below for recent statements by the Church's hierarchy).

    Regardless of these testimonies by the most competent authorities in the Church, many refuse to heed the Church's decision and persist in going to Medjugorje. One wonders what authority would be sufficient to convince these travelers of the truth of the Church's clear and emphatic declaration. It is also disturbing to consider that, if the "apparitions" are not from God, from whence do they originate?
    "In this difficult time, to be victorious, we must be steadfast using all of our strength and capabilities like brave soldiers fully armed in the battlefield ... Whatever happens, behave in such a way that God will be glorified."

    -Saint Andrew Kim

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    « Reply #17 on: June 05, 2007, 09:41:34 PM »
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  • The only problem with that is that the hierarchy (at least in Rome) smells worse than week old fish.  About the only thing we really have to go on is the age old teaching and the evidence of their fruits.  I have my own reasons for being leary of Leary, and Medjugorje's seers have shown us sufficient fruits, etc.  Any other ideas, Pinoy?
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    « Reply #18 on: June 05, 2007, 09:47:15 PM »
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  • Quote
    Medjugorje's seers have shown us sufficient fruits, etc.?


    Are you saying that you approve of Medjugorje?

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    Any other ideas, Pinoy?


    Um, read the rest of the article that I linked to please?
    "In this difficult time, to be victorious, we must be steadfast using all of our strength and capabilities like brave soldiers fully armed in the battlefield ... Whatever happens, behave in such a way that God will be glorified."

    -Saint Andrew Kim

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    « Reply #19 on: June 05, 2007, 09:54:59 PM »
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  • I thought their fruits were obvious enough (money, power and prestige) to settle any thoughts of approving of them and their apparitions.  But I don't approve of the vatican and all the chicanery going on there, either.  Like Jesus said, a bad tree doesn't put forth good fruit, so what chance that their approval or disapproval is any more a good guide line then say, false ecuмenism.
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    « Reply #20 on: June 05, 2007, 10:04:38 PM »
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  • Oh, okay.  Just making sure...
    "In this difficult time, to be victorious, we must be steadfast using all of our strength and capabilities like brave soldiers fully armed in the battlefield ... Whatever happens, behave in such a way that God will be glorified."

    -Saint Andrew Kim

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    « Reply #21 on: June 06, 2007, 12:47:09 PM »
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    « Reply #22 on: June 06, 2007, 12:57:14 PM »
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  • "In this difficult time, to be victorious, we must be steadfast using all of our strength and capabilities like brave soldiers fully armed in the battlefield ... Whatever happens, behave in such a way that God will be glorified."

    -Saint Andrew Kim

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    « Reply #23 on: June 06, 2007, 08:03:09 PM »
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  • Let's agree to disagree on Medjugorje.....and return to the topic of this thread, please.

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    « Reply #24 on: June 06, 2007, 08:05:54 PM »
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  • No.  I'd rather not.  The prophecies of your prophet here seem to be interconnected with an experience he had at Medjugorje, so it is of the utmost importance that we build this discussion on a solid foundation.

    Perhaps the rest of the members here would like to weigh in on the discussion?
    "In this difficult time, to be victorious, we must be steadfast using all of our strength and capabilities like brave soldiers fully armed in the battlefield ... Whatever happens, behave in such a way that God will be glorified."

    -Saint Andrew Kim

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    « Reply #25 on: June 07, 2007, 12:40:13 PM »
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  • .


    North American union plan headed to Congress in fall
    Powerful think tank prepares report on benefits of integration between U.S., Mexico, Canada


    http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55830



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    « Reply #26 on: June 07, 2007, 01:43:12 PM »
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  • I think it is only honourable that you back up your original claim.  Ignoring my messages is not helping you make your case.
    "In this difficult time, to be victorious, we must be steadfast using all of our strength and capabilities like brave soldiers fully armed in the battlefield ... Whatever happens, behave in such a way that God will be glorified."

    -Saint Andrew Kim

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    « Reply #27 on: June 07, 2007, 07:58:12 PM »
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  • Perhaps you missed my post on the Roman Catholic Church's position on Medjugorje.

    And you are above the Mystical Body of Christ?

    Once again, this thread is about the NAU and the one world government that is developing before our eyes.  

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    « Reply #28 on: June 07, 2007, 08:45:06 PM »
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  • Cub has a point, Pinoy.  Why not start a thread to address these other issues.
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    Please pray for the repose of her soul.

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    « Reply #29 on: June 07, 2007, 08:54:14 PM »
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  • I personally believe that some of the material that you posted (not you, but the material) is complete modernist drivel, but I will cease and desist at this point.

    As Trinity politely requested, another thread may be more appropriate.  If others are willing to join in this debate, I will allow them to start the thread themselves.
    "In this difficult time, to be victorious, we must be steadfast using all of our strength and capabilities like brave soldiers fully armed in the battlefield ... Whatever happens, behave in such a way that God will be glorified."

    -Saint Andrew Kim

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