Author Topic: Heresy in Sr. Faustinas Diary (Read 3033 times)

TKGS · « **Reply #15 on:** June 24, 2014, 06:22:02 PM »

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He also wrote against the new rites of ordination and consecration.
Do you have links to that, or was it taken down when the SSPX officially repudiated such views?

I have a print copy of the article from The Angelus. The date does not appear on the copy I have. The article is entitled: "Ought priests of the conciliar church to be re-ordained when they come to Tradition?" by Fr. Peter Scott.

Geremia · « **Reply #16 on:** June 24, 2014, 07:07:01 PM »

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He also wrote against the new rites of ordination and consecration.
Do you have links to that, or was it taken down when the SSPX officially repudiated such views?

I have a print copy of the article from The Angelus. The date does not appear on the copy I have. The article is entitled: "Ought priests of the conciliar church to be re-ordained when they come to Tradition?" by Fr. Peter Scott.

I thought that argued they New Rites were valid. Maybe I'm thinking of something else?

Sigismund · « **Reply #17 on:** June 24, 2014, 07:32:30 PM »

Does anyone here know what kind of arguments are offered, by Pope John Paul II or others, for why this devotions is really okay after being condemned in vigorous terms by two previous popes?

TKGS · « **Reply #18 on:** June 24, 2014, 07:38:01 PM »

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He also wrote against the new rites of ordination and consecration.
Do you have links to that, or was it taken down when the SSPX officially repudiated such views?

I have a print copy of the article from The Angelus. The date does not appear on the copy I have. The article is entitled: "Ought priests of the conciliar church to be re-ordained when they come to Tradition?" by Fr. Peter Scott.
I thought that argued they New Rites were valid. Maybe I'm thinking of something else?

I just re-read the article, and Fr. Scott says that there is a good probability that the new rites are valid in themselves, but that there are other serious problems with the ordinations and consecrations in the Conciliar church which raise very legitimate doubts about any Conciliar ordination.

So, I was partially mistaken having posted before re-reading the article and going from memory alone. Thank you for the correction.

Sorry for de-railing the topic; let's get back to the original topic now.

TKGS · « **Reply #19 on:** June 24, 2014, 07:40:52 PM »

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Does anyone here know what kind of arguments are offered, by Pope John Paul II or others, for why this devotions is really okay after being condemned in vigorous terms by two previous popes?

What need we have of arguments? The great JP2-We Luv U gave it to us!!!

Seriously, I've never heard that any arguments were given. If any were, I'd like to hear them. But I doubt any were proffered.

Geremia · « **Reply #20 on:** June 24, 2014, 08:29:00 PM »

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Does anyone here know what kind of arguments are offered, by Pope John Paul II or others, for why this devotions is really okay after being condemned in vigorous terms by two previous popes?

What need we have of arguments? The great JP2-We Luv U gave it to us!!!

Seriously, I've never heard that any arguments were given. If any were, I'd like to hear them. But I doubt any were proffered.

Just like how no real arguments have been found to interpret Vatican II's ecuмenism, religious liberty, and collegiality in continuity with the pre-Vatican II magisterium…

poche · « **Reply #21 on:** June 24, 2014, 10:35:16 PM »

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in the case of St Imelda for example.
Which was?

From the life of Blessed Imelda;

The patroness of fervent first communion, Blessed Imelda, came from one of the oldest families in Bologna; her father was Count Igano Lambertini and her mother was Castora Galuzzi. Even as a tiny child she showed unusual piety, taking delight in prayer and slipping off to a quiet corner of the house, which she adorned with flowers and pictures to make it a little oratory. When she was nine, she was placed, at her own wish, in the Dominican convent in Val di Pietra, to be trained there by the nuns. Her disposition soon endeared her to all, while the zeal with which she entered all the religious life of the house greatly edified the nuns. Her special devotion was to the Eucharistic presence of Our Lord at Mass and in the tabernacle. To receive Our Lord in Holy Communion became the consuming desire of her heart, but the custom of the place and time had fixed twelve as the earliest age for a first communion. She would sometimes exclaim: "Tell me, can anyone receive Jesus into his heart and not die? "

When she was eleven years old she was present with the rest of the community at the Ascension Day Mass. All the others had received their communion: only Imelda was left unsatisfied. The nuns were preparing to leave the church when some of them were startled to see what appeared to be a Sacred Host hovering in the air above Imelda, as she knelt before the closed tabernacle absorbed in prayer. Quickly they attracted the attention of the priest who hurried forward with a paten on which to receive It. In the face of such a miracle he could not do otherwise than give to Imelda her first communion, which was also her last. For the rapture with which she received her Lord was so great that it broke her heart: she sank unconscious to the ground, and when loving hands upraised her, it was found that she was dead.

http://catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=125

poche · « **Reply #22 on:** June 24, 2014, 10:39:37 PM »

Another Eucharistic event in the life of a saint;

St. Juliana of Falconieri
Juliana was born in 1270 of the illustrious Florentine family of the Falconieri when her parents were already well advanced in years. Her uncle, the saintly Alexius Falconieri, declared to her mother that she had given birth "not to a girl but to an angel." At the age of fifteen she renounced her inheritance and was the first to receive from the hand of St. Philip Benizi the habit of a Mantellate nun. Many women followed her example; even her mother placed herself under Juliana's spiritual direction.

St. Philip Benizi commended to her care and protection the Servite Order over which he had charge. So severe were her mortifications and fastings that a grave stomach ailment developed; she could take no food, not even the sacred Host. At the point of death she asked that a consecrated Host be placed against her heart. Then occurred a miracle — the Host vanished, and Juliana died with a radiant face. After her death the picture of the Crucified, as it had been on the sacred Host, was found impressed upon her breast.

http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/liturgicalyear/calendar/day.cfm?date=2014-06-19

Geremia · « **Reply #23 on:** June 25, 2014, 12:20:16 AM »

In those Eucharistic miracles you mention, the saints/blesseds received/welcomed the Host.

In Sr. Faustina's vision, she kept returning It to the tabernacle, as though she were not in need of It or not worthy to receive It, which she certainly is, especially if she is sinless (because she apparently escapes God's judgment and is more united to Jesus than any other creature).

poche · « **Reply #24 on:** June 25, 2014, 01:00:26 AM »

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In those Eucharistic miracles you mention, the saints/blesseds received/welcomed the Host.

In Sr. Faustina's vision, she kept returning It to the tabernacle, as though she were not in need of It or not worthy to receive It, which she certainly is, especially if she is sinless (because she apparently escapes God's judgment and is more united to Jesus than any other creature).

Jesus does what He wants to. If He is coming out of the Tabernacle to her time after time then who are we to complain?

Geremia · « **Reply #25 on:** June 25, 2014, 01:38:24 AM »

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Jesus does what He wants to. If He is coming out of the Tabernacle to her time after time then who are we to complain?

I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about her repeatedly returning It to the tabernacle. That's what doesn't make sense.

poche · « **Reply #26 on:** June 25, 2014, 02:50:19 AM »

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In those Eucharistic miracles you mention, the saints/blesseds received/welcomed the Host.

In Sr. Faustina's vision, she kept returning It to the tabernacle, as though she were not in need of It or not worthy to receive It, which she certainly is, especially if she is sinless (because she apparently escapes God's judgment and is more united to Jesus than any other creature).

I do not know why. What I do know is that the love that Jesus has for each of us is a special love, it is not a "one size fits all" love.
Most of the time the gifts that god gives to the soul are spiritual and they cannot be described in human terms unless God permits it.

SoldierOfChrist · « **Reply #27 on:** June 25, 2014, 04:50:31 AM »

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In those Eucharistic miracles you mention, the saints/blesseds received/welcomed the Host.

In Sr. Faustina's vision, she kept returning It to the tabernacle, as though she were not in need of It or not worthy to receive It, which she certainly is, especially if she is sinless (because she apparently escapes God's judgment and is more united to Jesus than any other creature).

I do not know why. What I do know is that the love that Jesus has for each of us is a special love, it is not a "one size fits all" love.
Most of the time the gifts that god gives to the soul are spiritual and they cannot be described in human terms unless God permits it.

Poche, you have a tendency to make statements which are unnecessary, because nobody argued the contrary, implying but not openly stating, that your opponents actually believe the contrary. This is the argumentation style of the modernists. It is misleading, confusing, and dishonest. I'll give you an example. "God does not have a one size fits all love for us." You deny that which was never proposed, thereby implying that the belief is secretly held. I've heard Bergoglio speak the same way. It is jarring to the ears.

poche · « **Reply #28 on:** June 25, 2014, 10:28:08 PM »

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Quote from: Geremia
In those Eucharistic miracles you mention, the saints/blesseds received/welcomed the Host.

In Sr. Faustina's vision, she kept returning It to the tabernacle, as though she were not in need of It or not worthy to receive It, which she certainly is, especially if she is sinless (because she apparently escapes God's judgment and is more united to Jesus than any other creature).

I do not know why. What I do know is that the love that Jesus has for each of us is a special love, it is not a "one size fits all" love.
Most of the time the gifts that god gives to the soul are spiritual and they cannot be described in human terms unless God permits it.

Poche, you have a tendency to make statements which are unnecessary, because nobody argued the contrary, implying but not openly stating, that your opponents actually believe the contrary. This is the argumentation style of the modernists. It is misleading, confusing, and dishonest. I'll give you an example. "God does not have a one size fits all love for us." You deny that which was never proposed, thereby implying that the belief is secretly held. I've heard Bergoglio speak the same way. It is jarring to the ears.

Actually somebody was arguing to the contrary becdause he was calling Sister Faustina a heretic.