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Traditional Catholic Faith => General Discussion => Topic started by: 2Vermont on September 14, 2013, 01:36:24 PM
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My husband is a sedevacantist and will no longer attend ANY mass celebrated by a VII priest (even the Latin mass).
I am worried that I am sinning by not going to the NO mass (which is my only option for a couple of weeks) because I am not fulfilling my Sunday obligation. In a couple of weeks the TLM starts up in my area on a weekly basis, but again, the priest is a Vatican II priest.
I have no other options. No SSPX. Nothing.
What do I do?
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I sent you a PM
Do you have PM priveleges yet?
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Thank you. I will read it as soon as I can (tomorrow I think)!
Anyone else who prefers to answer via PM, that's cool too.
TIA!
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Although to the question in your thread re: the Novus Ordo. You don't sin by not attending a Catholic mass if none is available. The NO is not a Catholic mass, you can't possibly sin by not attending it.
You can still keep the Lord's Day if the sacraments aren't available to you. Pray the Office, pray the rosary, read out of your missal. There's TONS to do.
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If I was in your position I would stay home because I have doubts about the validity of Novus Ordo priests, so I avoid the indult. I would never go to a Novus Ordo Mass except for maybe a wedding or funeral of a relative.
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My husband is a sedevacantist and will no longer attend ANY mass celebrated by a VII priest (even the Latin mass).
I am worried that I am sinning by not going to the NO mass (which is my only option for a couple of weeks) because I am not fulfilling my Sunday obligation. In a couple of weeks the TLM starts up in my area on a weekly basis, but again, the priest is a Vatican II priest.
I have no other options. No SSPX. Nothing.
What do I do?
I am very much like your husband in that I no longer attend NO masses, diocesan TLMs, nothing in conciliar churches, and I have serious doubts about the status of V-II priests. I am very blessed to live 20 mins from an independent traditional chapel. I know not everyone is that fortunate.
I travel a lot to though and miss Mass a lot because of my beliefs. My priest explains that I can't attend an NO mass because it is a sacrilege to do so, nor even a diocesan TLM because the priests also participates in sacrilegious masses.
In traveling, I am pretty much stuck if there isn't an SSPX (or of course Resistance) chapel available because I have concerns about the validity of independent priests with whom I am not familiar.
I know people travel as much as 2 hrs or maybe more to Mass. Is there no SSPX/Resistance or an independent chapel that you may investigate validating even in an expanded area? My local chapel usually doesn't have Holy Day Masses. So I drive 2 hrs myself when I can.
Are you familiar with sources for locating SSPX and independent chapels?
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Prior to Vatican II, when a Catholic was traveling around, most of the time there was always a Mass one could attend, and no one ever doubted the validity of the Mass. However, if a Catholic was in an area where there was NOT a Catholic church nearby, you would never even consider going to the nearby Protestant service to fulfill your obligation, would you?
Which is why you should not feel guilty about not going to the novus ordo. Did you know that even some Protestant churches say the novus ordo, because they are the ones who composed it.
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My husband is a sedevacantist and will no longer attend ANY mass celebrated by a VII priest (even the Latin mass).
I am worried that I am sinning by not going to the NO mass (which is my only option for a couple of weeks) because I am not fulfilling my Sunday obligation. In a couple of weeks the TLM starts up in my area on a weekly basis, but again, the priest is a Vatican II priest.
I have no other options. No SSPX. Nothing.
What do I do?
I am very much like your husband in that I no longer attend NO masses, diocesan TLMs, nothing in conciliar churches, and I have serious doubts about the status of V-II priests. I am very blessed to live 20 mins from an independent traditional chapel. I know not everyone is that fortunate.
I travel a lot to though and miss Mass a lot because of my beliefs. My priest explains that I can't attend an NO mass because it is a sacrilege to do so, nor even a diocesan TLM because the priests also participates in sacrilegious masses.
In traveling, I am pretty much stuck if there isn't an SSPX (or of course Resistance) chapel available because I have concerns about the validity of independent priests with whom I am not familiar.
I know people travel as much as 2 hrs or maybe more to Mass. Is there no SSPX/Resistance or an independent chapel that you may investigate validating even in an expanded area? My local chapel usually doesn't have Holy Day Masses. So I drive 2 hrs myself when I can.
Are you familiar with sources for locating SSPX and independent chapels?
If you are referring to something like the TLM directory on traditio's website, I have checked that resource and there are none in my area.
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If you are referring to something like the TLM directory on traditio's website, I have checked that resource and there are none in my area.
That is the most comprehensive directory that I am aware of. I have an iPhone app called TLM(US). But I think it only shows diocesan & SSPX.
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2Vermont, just because your husband suddenly has a conviction, doesn't automatically give you a conscience problem. Ultimately, you need to follow your own conscience. The Church teaches that conscience is an ordinance of reason, so you can't say, "What if my husband is right, then I might be sinning". That is an unreasonable, hypothetical fear. Perhaps you can ask your husband to give his reasons, and if you find them reasonable, you can have the same conscience.
To have doubt, you need at least one good positive reason to doubt. You cannot merely base it on "what if" (which is hypothetical).
There are solid principles of reason the Church gives us: The Church says that "a doubtful pope is no pope", "a doubtful sacrament is no sacrament", and that "a doubtful priest is no priest". These don't mean necessarily that they are not real, but that for PRACTICAL purposes you are free and obliged before God to consider them invalid because of the doubt.
If one has no doubt about a pope being valid, one must believe the Novus Ordo and priesthood are valid and good, and act upon it.
I, personally, doubt the Novus Ordo and their priesthood, and will have nothing to do with them....as well I reject the papal claimants who promote Vatican II and ecuмenism.
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2Vermont, just because your husband suddenly has a conviction, doesn't automatically give you a conscience problem. Ultimately, you need to follow your own conscience. The Church teaches that conscience is an ordinance of reason, so you can't say, "What if my husband is right, then I might be sinning". That is an unreasonable, hypothetical fear. Perhaps you can ask your husband to give his reasons, and if you find them reasonable, you can have the same conscience.
To have doubt, you need at least one good positive reason to doubt. You cannot merely base it on "what if" (which is hypothetical).
There are solid principles of reason the Church gives us: The Church says that "a doubtful pope is no pope", "a doubtful sacrament is no sacrament", and that "a doubtful priest is no priest". These don't mean necessarily that they are not real, but that for PRACTICAL purposes you are free and obliged before God to consider them invalid because of the doubt.
If one has no doubt about a pope being valid, one must believe the Novus Ordo and priesthood are valid and good, and act upon it.
I, personally, doubt the Novus Ordo and their priesthood, and will have nothing to do with them....as well I reject the papal claimants who promote Vatican II and ecuмenism.
I'm not a sedevacantist but I have doubts about this pope, and all the post-V2 popes. That's why I'm not following their modernist teachings.
And I have hard evidence that the Novus Ordo Mass (and accompanying religion) is noxious to the Faith. I have 43 years of hard data.
I'm not certain the post-V2 popes are valid, nor am I certain they're invalid. So I will just keep the Faith (all I can do, really) while God sorts out this Crisis.
Judging the Pope is "above my pay grade".
I see no reason to declare the See vacant with all the full weight of Matthew's insight, knowledge and authority.
:rolleyes:
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Judging the Pope is "above my pay grade".
You must not have attained our new member Vinikias' pay grade yet.
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2Vermont, just because your husband suddenly has a conviction, doesn't automatically give you a conscience problem. Ultimately, you need to follow your own conscience. ll I reject the papal claimants who promote Vatican II and ecuмenism.
I'm not sure what I wrote led you to think this.
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Pope Francis would say, "Follow your conscience."
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2Vermont, just because your husband suddenly has a conviction, doesn't automatically give you a conscience problem. Ultimately, you need to follow your own conscience. ll I reject the papal claimants who promote Vatican II and ecuмenism.
I'm not sure what I wrote led you to think this.
Somebody down thumbed this? Really? LOL
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Pope Francis would say, "Follow your conscience."
If that's what he would say than I doubt that he could be considered a shepherd of souls. I think that none of the post-Vatican II popes see themselves as shepherds of souls, particularly since the concilliarists tried to remove the word soul from the lexicon. No more mentioning of souls. Man, according to the post-Vatican II popes must focus on the here and now because that is all they believe in.
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My husband is a sedevacantist and will no longer attend ANY mass celebrated by a VII priest (even the Latin mass).
I am worried that I am sinning by not going to the NO mass (which is my only option for a couple of weeks) because I am not fulfilling my Sunday obligation. In a couple of weeks the TLM starts up in my area on a weekly basis, but again, the priest is a Vatican II priest.
I have no other options. No SSPX. Nothing.
What do I do?
Make a two or three hour trip to a Traditional Catholic Church once a month.
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My husband is a sedevacantist and will no longer attend ANY mass celebrated by a VII priest (even the Latin mass).
I am worried that I am sinning by not going to the NO mass (which is my only option for a couple of weeks) because I am not fulfilling my Sunday obligation. In a couple of weeks the TLM starts up in my area on a weekly basis, but again, the priest is a Vatican II priest.
I have no other options. No SSPX. Nothing.
What do I do?
Make a two or three hour trip to a Traditional Catholic Church once a month.
:applause:
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My husband is a sedevacantist and will no longer attend ANY mass celebrated by a VII priest (even the Latin mass).
I am worried that I am sinning by not going to the NO mass (which is my only option for a couple of weeks) because I am not fulfilling my Sunday obligation. In a couple of weeks the TLM starts up in my area on a weekly basis, but again, the priest is a Vatican II priest.
I have no other options. No SSPX. Nothing.
What do I do?
Make a two or three hour trip to a Traditional Catholic Church once a month.
This is exactly what we try to do, although we're not always successful. Sometimes we have issues with our van or face other circuмstances. What we never fail to do is avoid the NO at all costs. Our Sundays and Holydays usually consist of reading, Catechism lessons, watching Mass online, etc.
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My husband is a sedevacantist and will no longer attend ANY mass celebrated by a VII priest (even the Latin mass).
I am worried that I am sinning by not going to the NO mass (which is my only option for a couple of weeks) because I am not fulfilling my Sunday obligation. In a couple of weeks the TLM starts up in my area on a weekly basis, but again, the priest is a Vatican II priest.
I have no other options. No SSPX. Nothing.
What do I do?
Make a two or three hour trip to a Traditional Catholic Church once a month.
This is exactly what we try to do, although we're not always successful. Sometimes we have issues with our van or face other circuмstances. What we never fail to do is avoid the NO at all costs. Our Sundays and Holydays usually consist of reading, Catechism lessons, watching Mass online, etc.
So, do you receive communion? I'm hesitant to receive communion in the event that I have gravely sinned by not attending mass the previous weeks? Or do you go to confession before your monthly trip/before mass with the priest at the traditional church?
Which leads me to another critical question:
If you do not have a pre-Vatican II priest or a priest ordained in the old rite, where do you go to confession? Because I don't know about you guys but I 'm pretty sure that I'm not going to go through life without sinning gravely.
This whole mess makes me sick.
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My husband is a sedevacantist and will no longer attend ANY mass celebrated by a VII priest (even the Latin mass).
I am worried that I am sinning by not going to the NO mass (which is my only option for a couple of weeks) because I am not fulfilling my Sunday obligation. In a couple of weeks the TLM starts up in my area on a weekly basis, but again, the priest is a Vatican II priest.
I have no other options. No SSPX. Nothing.
What do I do?
Make a two or three hour trip to a Traditional Catholic Church once a month.
This is exactly what we try to do, although we're not always successful. Sometimes we have issues with our van or face other circuмstances. What we never fail to do is avoid the NO at all costs. Our Sundays and Holydays usually consist of reading, Catechism lessons, watching Mass online, etc.
So, do you receive communion? I'm hesitant to receive communion in the event that I have gravely sinned by not attending mass the previous weeks? Or do you go to confession before your monthly trip/before mass with the priest at the traditional church?
Which leads me to another critical question:
If you do not have a pre-Vatican II priest or a priest ordained in the old rite, where do you go to confession? Because I don't know about you guys but I 'm pretty sure that I'm not going to go through life without sinning gravely.
This whole mess makes me sick.
We go to Confession at the chapel, to a priest ordained in the old rite. We have nothing to do with the NO.
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Thanks for the monthly trip idea. I will take another look at the directory on traditio.com and see if there is a possibility for us.
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Enterprise has weekend car rental deals for those driving unreliable cars. If you only have a debit card you a need a utility bill, license, and pay stub all with the same address. Nice thing about a rental is it will have heat if you travel in the winter. HTH
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Thanks for the monthly trip idea. I will take another look at the directory on traditio.com and see if there is a possibility for us.
Arrive on Saturday early and take in some sightseeing in your "adopted" area.
Since you will be staying at a nearby hotel/motel, arrive at the chapel early so each family member can rceceive the Sacrament of Penance. You can even call the priest ahead of time or at least talk to him about your spiritual situation.
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Judging the Pope is "above my pay grade".
You must not have attained our new member Vinikias' pay grade yet.
Did you see that Matthew has banned him? It turns out he's none other than Cathedra hiding behind a false nose and spirit-gummed moustache! That goes far toward explaining his robo-commenting pace and vicious tongue.
Unfortunately, like the real Cathedra, Vinikias had his fans here.
Yet more evidence that we live in a vale of tears.
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Claudel,
Thanks for letting me know that Vinikias has been banned. And thanks to Matthew for banning him. I'm not very familiar with Cathedra. But the Vinikias persona was a total jerk.