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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: Mark 79 on November 16, 2019, 10:00:41 AM
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Call him “Jorge”
“José María del Corral, director of the ‘School of Neighbors’ educational program in Buenos Aires was one of the Pope’s special guests at his Inaugural Mass…. When Corral ‘bumped into’ the Pope in the elevator, he asked, ‘How should I refer to you now?” The Pope answered, ‘Call me Jorge, what else?'”
Marian Horvat, “‘Call Me Jorge'”, Tradition In Action, March 27, 2013
https://traditioninaction.org/religious/d025_Jorge.htm (https://traditioninaction.org/religious/d025_Jorge.htm)
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I’ll call him George
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We should also obey Joe. Since Joe was the detritus… I mean peritus responsible for the "subsists in" of LG§8, we should be sure to note that the two living "popes" only "subsist in" the Chair of Peter.
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Then we have a saint Karol who kissed the satanic book and wrote letters to a married woman.
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Wojtyla the Second Worst was bumped out of first (last?) place by George.
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Wojtyla the Second Worst was bumped out of first (last?) place by George.
Not sure I agree. Wojtyla was far more dangerous because he disguised his heresy, and his outward projection of piety actually helped many conservative types imbibe the poisons of religious indifferentism. Jorge is actually doing a great service to the Church by exposing the Vatican II apostasy.
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Karol was into theatre.
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I missed the Ratzinger awards...
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Not sure I agree. Wojtyla was far more dangerous because he disguised his heresy, and his outward projection of piety actually helped many conservative types imbibe the poisons of religious indifferentism. Jorge is actually doing a great service to the Church by exposing the Vatican II apostasy.
You make a good point… and also Wojtyla played sports with women.
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You make a good point… and also Wojtyla played sports with women.
*rolleyes*
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*rolleyes*
It's a joke referring to the HFA sportanist thread.
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Personally, I typically refer to popes (even post-V2 ones) by their papal names out of respect for the office. I have not really thought about why people use other names, just assuming that this was a characteristic of sedes. But I see there is a case for people doing this from an R&R perspective too.
Thanks for explaining the background, Mark.
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Personally, I typically refer to popes (even post-V2 ones) by their papal names out of respect for the office. I have not really thought about why people use other names, just assuming that this was a characteristic of sedes. But I see there is a case for people doing this from an R&R perspective too.
Thanks for explaining the background, Mark.
I believe that this is precisely the point of the thread. People often refer to sedevacantists as disrespectful for using familiar names for the V2 papal claimants, but the defense here (entirely tongue-in-cheek) is that we're merely obeying the Pope's wishes when calling him Jorge.
sedevacantist: "Jorge did this the other day..."
sedeplenist: "Hey, that's disrespectful."
sedevacantist: "Oh, no, I'm just doing what he asked ... out of obedience."
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People often refer to sedevacantists as disrespectful for using familiar names for the V2 papal claimants,
How is it disrespectful for people who do not think a man is a pope to refrain from using a papal title for him? It follows logically from their assumptions.
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I believe that this is precisely the point of the thread. People often refer to sedevacantists as disrespectful for using familiar names for the V2 papal claimants, but the defense here (entirely tongue-in-cheek) is that we're merely obeying the Pope's wishes when calling him Jorge.
sedevacantist: "Jorge did this the other day..."
sedeplenist: "Hey, that's disrespectful."
sedevacantist: "Oh, no, I'm just doing what he asked ... out of obedience."
I don't really get on Sedevacantists for this ,but as someone who's closer to the R + R camp (perhaps you'd say not strictly) I am not really comfortable doing this. I'll not say I've never done it, especially out of frustration, but I do *believe* I ought to be respectful.
And the fact that Francis doesn't want his office to be respected, doesn't really make me feel justified in not respecting it.
I'm inclined to think Sede-doubtists and Sedeprivationists should refer to the man as "Pope Francis" though, unless their doubt like MAJORLY outweighs their consideration, if that makes sense.
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Then we have a saint Karol who kissed the satanic book and wrote letters to a married woman.
I guess there are worst things popes can kiss than a book..... ::)
(https://akm-img-a-in.tosshub.com/indiatoday/images/story/201902/pope_imam.jpeg?hL2SlOQddFa_70eABFan16KBq0T9XLPk)
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcTTGsl5ysLfLSgRHpbcwIf1gLo2F9LiaRf8KyGvBQ-Pottlhew5)
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I will still call him Pope Francis.
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How is it disrespectful for people who do not think a man is a pope to refrain from using a papal title for him? It follows logically from their assumptions.
I think that those people who spend most of their time criticizing and complaining about Pope Francis should also be the ones who pray for him the most.
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Poche, you are a serial habitual liar, even a Falsifier of Scripture.
You willfully falsified Matthew 16:18. You substituted "you" for "it" to bolster your equally phony contention about Jorge.
Quote from: poche on November 07, 2019, 04:55:39 AM (https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/is-francis-the-pope/msg674301/#msg674301)
"And the gates of Hell shall not prevail against you" -Jesus to Peter
https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/is-francis-the-pope/msg674301/#msg674301 (https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/is-francis-the-pope/msg674301/#msg674301)
Repeatedly you have partially quoted Pope St. Pius X to falsify his attitude toward the Jєωs. Representative examples: https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/another-gift-for-the-rabbi/msg675367/#msg675367 (https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/another-gift-for-the-rabbi/msg675367/#msg675367) https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/pius-xii-and-ww2-pius-the-liberal-and-roncalli-the-conservative/msg674407/#msg674407 (https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/pius-xii-and-ww2-pius-the-liberal-and-roncalli-the-conservative/msg674407/#msg674407) You willfully omitted:
"We are unable to favor this [Zionist] movement. We cannot prevent the Jєωs from going to Jerusalem, but we could never sanction it. The ground of Jerusalem, if it were not always sacred, has been sanctified by the life of Jesus Christ. As the head of the Church, I cannot answer you otherwise. The Jєωs have not recognized Our Lord; therefore, we cannot recognize the Jєωιѕн people.... If you come to Palestine and settle your people there, we will be ready with priests and churches to baptize all of you". (Pope St. Pius X)
You also lied when you claimed that Jorge "preached against the тαℓмυd" https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/pope-francis-said-51197/msg672784/#msg672784 (https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/pope-francis-said-51197/msg672784/#msg672784) and that Jorge was "paraphrasing St. Paul" when Jorge said Jesus "made himself the devil." https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/pope-francis-said-51197/msg671082/#msg671082 (https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/pope-francis-said-51197/msg671082/#msg671082)
Your father is the father of lies and murder and you do his work.
You have claimed that Jorge has “the same view” on the Jєωs as Pope St. Pius X. https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/another-gift-for-the-rabbi/msg675367/#msg675367 (https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/another-gift-for-the-rabbi/msg675367/#msg675367) Directly to their faces Pope St. Pius X told the Jєωs of Jesus Christ and their need to convert. Jorge is the diametric opposite, not “the same.” Jorge confirms тαℓмυdic Jєωs in their Faith and teaches their heretical dogmas to Catholics. Several examples here: http://judaism.is/st.-francis-on-francis.html#тαℓмυdicantipope (http://judaism.is/st.-francis-on-francis.html#тαℓмυdicantipope)
You are Satan's lying sack of dirt… again and again.
Here is Jorge's full allocution: https://zenit.org/articles/holy-father-continues-catecheses-on-acts-of-the-apostles/ (https://zenit.org/articles/holy-father-continues-catecheses-on-acts-of-the-apostles/)
First, there is not one word about the тαℓмυd, not one stinking word.
Second, contrary to your assertion that Jorge preached "how Christianity is distinct from the Jєωιѕн religion," https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/pope-francis-said-51197/msg672784/#msg672784 (https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/pope-francis-said-51197/msg672784/#msg672784) Jorge uses the metaphors of "the Open Door," "the common way," "synodality," Instead of making a distinction, Jorge proposes an indifferentist blend of Christ and Belial: "relation between faith in Christ and the observance of the Law of Moses." The only "relation" recognized by the perennial and infallible Magisterium is that the Law of Moses died with Christ on the Cross—and, as expected, that dogma is entirely missing in Jorge's subversion.
Third, Jorge cannot bring himself to teach de fide supersessionism, that the Law of Moses is dead, so instead he infers тαℓмυdic Noahidism (http://judaism.is/noahide-deceit.html): "ask them only to reject idolatry and all its expressions." So Jorge did not "preach against the тαℓмυd" as you claimed. Jorge did the exact opposite; he preached тαℓмυdic Noahidism (http://judaism.is/noahide-deceit.html).
"Funny how you" constructed three lies in your one run-on sentence!
Poche, you are a serial habitual liar, even a Falsifier of Scripture. Get thee behind me, Satan!
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I think that those people who spend most of their time criticizing and complaining about Pope Francis should also be the ones who pray for him the most.
It is not simply a matter of people criticizing and complaining about Pope Francis. There are people who cannot understand how someone who does and says the things that he has could be the pope. Rather than clearly guiding and teaching the Church, Pope Francis has created confusion, discouragement, and doubt. He bears some responsibility for the situation.
Yes, I acknowledge him as pope and I have a duty to pray for him. But I do not have a duty to be silent about the harm that I see him doing.
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It is not simply a matter of people criticizing and complaining about Pope Francis. There are people who cannot understand how someone who does and says the things that he has could be the pope. Rather than clearly guiding and teaching the Church, Pope Francis has created confusion, discouragement, and doubt. He bears some responsibility for the situation.
Yes, I acknowledge him as pope and I have a duty to pray for him. But I do not have a duty to be silent about the harm that I see him doing.
"Pope Francis has created confusion, discouragement, and doubt. " And, in so doing, he leads souls to damnation. Poche's defense makes Poche an accomplice.
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Yes, I acknowledge him as pope and I have a duty to pray for him. But I do not have a duty to be silent about the harm that I see him doing.
Or, worse yet, to condone it and approve of it.
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You make a good point… and also Wojtyla played sports with women.
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:laugh1:
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Then we have a saint Karol who kissed the satanic book and wrote letters to a married woman.
Call him Chuck.
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Whore Hey! leads the Whore of Babylon.
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The conundrum of the Catholic world:
“How could the pope really be the pope if the pope is always right and is now also Bergoglio?”
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The conundrum of the Catholic world:
“How could the pope really be the pope if the pope is always right and is now also Bergoglio?”
Many years ago Cardinal Gibbens returned from one of his adlimina visits to the Vatican. This was just after Vatican I. One of the reporters who met him at the dock asked him, "do you really believe in papal infallibility?
Cardinal Gibbens replied, "When I had my audience with his holiness, he called me Jibbens."
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The Pope of Insults
https://youtu.be/4UQfqcKZ4Pc (https://youtu.be/4UQfqcKZ4Pc)
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Many years ago Cardinal Gibbens returned from one of his adlimina visits to the Vatican. This was just after Vatican I. One of the reporters who met him at the dock asked him, "do you really believe in papal infallibility?
Cardinal Gibbens replied, "When I had my audience with his holiness, he called me Jibbens."
Touché. My thinking also now.