Author Topic: NYT: The Gospel of Jesus Wife? (Read 2984 times)

Sigismund · « **Reply #30 on:** September 20, 2012, 10:29:15 PM »

Quote from: JohnGrey

Quote from: PenitentWoman
Even Scorsese's "The Last Temptation of Christ" implies that Jesus was in love with Mary Magdalene. It's a strangely popular topic, despite no real evidence.

It's popular because the implicit goal of casting such aspersions on our Lord is to downplay His divinity, the very fact of His place in the Godhead. If he was married then He wasn't really God, He was just a nice Jєωιѕн boy that got killed for having good ideas about loving one another.

This same discussion came up when I was reviewing the Criterion release of Scorsese's film (doing so was against my better judgement, but I'm OCD about finishing collections). The most common remark that I found from those that supported the film, or the heretical notion of His matrimony to a woman rather than the Church, was that it made him more approachable, more "human." What it really meant was that it made him as flawed and unworthy as any other fallen human being, and the spiritual agony felt by their souls was soothed by that Christoatheism.

Actually, the Lat Temptation has Christ married to both Mary and Martha of Bethany. This happens in the temptation , which is kind of a dream, not reality.

Yes, I have seen it. It was a terrible move in every sense.

Sigismund · « **Reply #31 on:** September 20, 2012, 10:31:55 PM »

Some of the so called Gnostic Gospels are not really Gnostic, they are just not canonical. The story our Our Lady being presented in the Temple, which is commemorated in both East and West, comes from such a docuмent. The ones that are genuinely Gnostic are of course heretical.

PenitentWoman · « **Reply #32 on:** September 20, 2012, 10:33:51 PM »

Quote from: Sigismund

Quote from: JohnGrey
Quote from: PenitentWoman
Even Scorsese's "The Last Temptation of Christ" implies that Jesus was in love with Mary Magdalene. It's a strangely popular topic, despite no real evidence.

It's popular because the implicit goal of casting such aspersions on our Lord is to downplay His divinity, the very fact of His place in the Godhead. If he was married then He wasn't really God, He was just a nice Jєωιѕн boy that got killed for having good ideas about loving one another.

This same discussion came up when I was reviewing the Criterion release of Scorsese's film (doing so was against my better judgement, but I'm OCD about finishing collections). The most common remark that I found from those that supported the film, or the heretical notion of His matrimony to a woman rather than the Church, was that it made him more approachable, more "human." What it really meant was that it made him as flawed and unworthy as any other fallen human being, and the spiritual agony felt by their souls was soothed by that Christoatheism.

Actually, the Lat Temptation has Christ married to both Mary and Martha of Bethany. This happens in the temptation , which is kind of a dream, not reality.

Yes, I have seen it. It was a terrible move in every sense.

But wasn't it like a "what if" dream, implying Jesus had already developed romantic feelings and was tempted to act on them? I can't remember exactly.

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #33 on:** September 20, 2012, 11:31:03 PM »

I tried watching The Last Temptation of Christ and was too bored to stick with it. I changed the channel after about 15 minutes. It's trash, at least the first 15 minutes. A movie critic who wrote the book "Hollywood vs. America" said that while sitting in a room full of critics watching the Last Temptation everyone was laughing at the lousy movie and just cutting up on how dumb the whole thing was. Then, a few days later, this same guy read the write up in the paper of one of the guys dismissing it so openly in the room yet this guy gave it a middle of the road presentation. When asked why when the movie was clearly trash, this guy said that he can't afford to be lumped in with the religious right and if he trashes the movie than his reputation would be affected.

MaterDominici · « **Reply #34 on:** September 21, 2012, 12:52:02 AM »

Quote from: PenitentWoman

Just weeks before the ceremony the priest found out her and her fiancee were living together and he said he wasn't comfortable marrying them. Of course, her response to that was that if he has such an interest in stopping pre-martial relations then he should WANT to marry them asap, and not refuse to marry them and leave them living in sin. He stood is ground and wanted her to move her stuff out. She did it, but was not happy about it and her parents made a big fuss...her Dad made some comment about how they no longer publish banns (spelling??) so it was none of his business, it isn't his job to be an investigator etc. They had further issues with the music and the readings at her wedding, and it was just tense. Yet because her fiance's family had been going to this parish for a long time, and she was on a few committees, they did not want to go elsewhere. Well, the mass homily "coincidentally" touched on some sensitive topics regarding married life. (High five to him...lol) and the lovely bride wasn't happy at all.

Yea for priests who are solid enough to say what needs to be said. :rahrah:

I had only been attending the TLM for about seven months when we married. Our priest gave a solid sermon about what married life was all about, not so much for us as for all of the guests who wouldn't normally hear a sermon from a Trad priest. He even included remarks about divorce and how a Catholic can not remarry which was likely largely directed at my parents. At the time I thought all Trad priests would probably do the same in a wedding sermon with such a diverse group of attendees, but now I'm thinking it might have had something to do with having been married by a Pfeiffer. :scratchchin:

Loriann · « **Reply #35 on:** September 21, 2012, 10:58:22 AM »

Quote from: MaterDominici

Quote from: PenitentWoman
Just weeks before the ceremony the priest found out her and her fiancee were living together and he said he wasn't comfortable marrying them. Of course, her response to that was that if he has such an interest in stopping pre-martial relations then he should WANT to marry them asap, and not refuse to marry them and leave them living in sin. He stood is ground and wanted her to move her stuff out. She did it, but was not happy about it and her parents made a big fuss...her Dad made some comment about how they no longer publish banns (spelling??) so it was none of his business, it isn't his job to be an investigator etc. They had further issues with the music and the readings at her wedding, and it was just tense. Yet because her fiance's family had been going to this parish for a long time, and she was on a few committees, they did not want to go elsewhere. Well, the mass homily "coincidentally" touched on some sensitive topics regarding married life. (High five to him...lol) and the lovely bride wasn't happy at all.

Yea for priests who are solid enough to say what needs to be said. :rahrah:

I had only been attending the TLM for about seven months when we married. Our priest gave a solid sermon about what married life was all about, not so much for us as for all of the guests who wouldn't normally hear a sermon from a Trad priest. He even included remarks about divorce and how a Catholic can not remarry which was likely largely directed at my parents. At the time I thought all Trad priests would probably do the same in a wedding sermon with such a diverse group of attendees, but now I'm thinking it might have had something to do with having been married by a Pfeiffer. :scratchchin:

Our NO priest delivered a similar sermon at our wedding too. He talked about the rules of marriage and the covenant and explained about divorce being a sin also. He was a young man, too. But that was 30 years ago.