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You are right, that the Popes knew about it, and tacitly approved of it.  They had eyes and they did use the Sistine chapel for Mass, ceremonies and papal elections.  The fact remains that The Popes commissioned this work, and approved of it for centuries.

Americans have been too influenced by Protestantism, and are often imbalanced in many of these type of issues.  The same goes for finding sin in many other non-sins such as moderate use of alcohol or gambling in moderation.  

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You are too much.  You make me wonder if you are really an anti-Catholic Protestant.

So now because I claim that the Sistine Chapel art is not part of the magisterium you consider me Protestant?  When you say stuff like that you make a mockery of the Church before her enemies.

No, for you implication that the Popes were complicit with the castration of young boys.  Your statement, "Ambrose, do you then approve of the castration of young boys?" is disgusting, and is a smear against the Popes.  

Also, I never claimed that the Sistine chapel was part of the magisterium, so don't create straw men.

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Show me evidence that the Popes approved of this practice of the castrati and then we can talk.  Maybe you can join some anti-Catholic forums and ask around for some other lies against the Church while you are there.

Your argument about Michaelangelo's stuff was that the Popes tolerated it and therefore that we must believe that this stuff is good.  Castration went on under the noses of the same popes who tolerated the Michaelangelo garbage.

Michelangelo's work was commissioned and approved by Popes.  The painting of the last judgment remained in its original form for decades, and then under Pope Pius IV, certain parts were painted over.  

I will trust the Popes for the last 5 centuries over you on this matter.  I will trust the countless other Catholics, saints, cardinals, bishops, priests who walked through the Sistine chapel and gave their tacit approval.

Regarding your castration allegation, let's see your proof that any Pope was complicit.  They may have known about it, but they were not complicit in it.  This is why you sound like a Protestant, they, like you, throw mud to see what sticks.  

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Btw, I notice that you like that term Papalotry.  So, in your mind I am supposed to trust the man, Ladislaus, over 500 years worth of Popes and and countless saints who had absolutely no problem with the Sistine Chapel.  You really think highly of yourself, you are the judge of Popes and saints.

There's no evidence that no one had problems with that garbage.  As it was pointed out, a Pope had the privates painted over at one point.

Yes, but the fact was also that the painting went untouched for decades prior to that.  For myself, I am happy that the excesses were painted over, but that's not my point.  I trust the Popes on these matters, if they think it was excessive, then fine, cover it up more, but at no time, will I lord myself over the Popes, which is something that you do with remarkable ease.

Papalotry describes your attitude perfectly, that the Popes can never do any wrong or say anything wrong, whether in an offhand comment to the press or else (your latest) having churches painted.  In making a caricature of papal infallibility you are not defending it but setting it up to be mocked.  You discredit the cause.

This has nothing to do with papal infallibility, so you can drop that now.  This has to do with the judgment of the Popes in allowing practices that are safe for Catholics.  In your judgment, you think you know better than the Popes, I am saying that I do not, and I trust them on these matters.

When you exaggerated the Church's magisterium and infallibility, you are not doing a service to the magisterium and infallibility but set the Church up to be mocked and ridiculed by Protestants.  In addition, if you were to tell a Protestant that the Michaelangelo paintings are protected by infallibility and that you must believe these to be good, they'll run, not walk, but run the other way from (your version of) Catholicism.  And I wouldn't blame them.

I never talked about the magisterium and infallibility in this discussion.  You keep saying this, but you are beating a straw man.  

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You are right, that the Popes knew about it, and tacitly approved of it.  They had eyes and they did use the Sistine chapel for Mass, ceremonies and papal elections.  The fact remains that The Popes commissioned this work, and approved of it for centuries.

Americans have been too influenced by Protestantism, and are often imbalanced in many of these type of issues.  The same goes for finding sin in many other non-sins such as moderate use of alcohol or gambling in moderation.  

Remember though that the nudity in the Sistine frescoes was censored under Pope Pius IV. The figures were only uncovered after Vatican II.

Pope Pius IV ordered the painting over of certain parts, that was all.