Author Topic: Novus Ordo versus Southern Baptists et al (Read 4559 times)

Cato · « **on:** March 08, 2014, 12:29:25 PM »

I'm finding conservative evangelicals like Southern Baptists seem more orthodox than our "friends" in the Novus Ordo. Evangelicals seem to usually reject ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, abortion, gαy marriage, Marxism, ecuмenism and the like while N.O. are more likely to embrace that evil.

Do Traditional Catholics have more in common with Evangelicals than the Novus Ordo?

Frances · « **Reply #1 on:** March 08, 2014, 12:59:49 PM »

:dancing-banana: Short answer! Morally? Yes! Doctrinally? No!

I have more in common, lifestyle-wise, with my Muslim, Sikh, and Hasidic Jєωιѕн neighbors than with my novus ordo family members. That doesn't mean I go to the mosque, the schul, or the temple any more than I go to a Baptist church!

Marlelar · « **Reply #2 on:** March 08, 2014, 02:53:36 PM »

I agree with Frances.

Marsha

Cantarella · « **Reply #3 on:** March 08, 2014, 03:04:08 PM »

Quote from: Frances

:dancing-banana: Short answer! Morally? Yes! Doctrinally? No!

I have more in common, lifestyle-wise, with my Muslim, Sikh, and Hasidic Jєωιѕн neighbors than with my novus ordo family members. That doesn't mean I go to the mosque, the schul, or the temple any more than I go to a Baptist church!

Exactly what Frances said above. People see me in the street and they think that I am some kind of an orthodox or prot fundamentalist.They do not associate me with Catholic. The Novus Ordo is indeed other religion and that is what most people see Catholics as nowadays.

Matto · « **Reply #4 on:** March 08, 2014, 03:11:41 PM »

I think many protestants are more orthodox than most Novus Ordo Catholics. For example, most of the people I see defending the Bible against the theory of evolution are protestants.

Mabel · « **Reply #5 on:** March 08, 2014, 03:37:17 PM »

Novus ordo Catholics are such a mixed bag. The conservatives love externals but if you dig deeper, you will find that many of them have points where they flat out disagree with the Church, even the Novus Ordo church.

I find that most conservative Protestants and Eastern schismatics do have a lot in common with us. In some ways, they are easier to deal with. Given the option, I would rather be around moral Protestants than some traditionalists.

Frances · « **Reply #6 on:** March 08, 2014, 05:54:19 PM »

Quote from: Cantarella

People see me in the street and they think that I am some kind of an orthodox or prot fundamentalist.They do not associate me with Catholic. The Novus Ordo is indeed other religion and that is what most people see Catholics as nowadays.

I'm never identified as a Catholic by my dress unless seen close enough to identify my Miraculous Medal. Generally, I'm mistaken for an Orthodox or Hasidic Jєωess in NYC metro area or an ultra right-wing Baptist or Holiness/Pentecostal/Mennonite in rural parts of the U.S. Novus ordo Catholics are usually the last to recognize me as Catholic. More than once I've been asked if I am a nun by Protestants. Many dismiss me as being "another NY weirdo." One good thing about NYC is that nobody cares what you wear. There are so many people running around in ethnic dress, religious dress, no dress, that traditional Catholics don't stand out. It's very different in the suburbs and even in "middle-America."

St Magnus · « **Reply #7 on:** March 08, 2014, 06:02:52 PM »

Take a walk through the halls of the dorms at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville Ky and you will see what we have in common with them. The answer will be hanging on the doors. They HATE Catholicsim.

Frances · « **Reply #8 on:** March 08, 2014, 06:55:57 PM »

Quote from: St Magnus

Take a walk through the halls of the dorms at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville Ky and you will see what we have in common with them. The answer will be hanging on the doors. They HATE Catholicsim.

:dancing-banana:
Just out of curiosity, what DO they have hanging on the walls?

jen51 · « **Reply #9 on:** March 08, 2014, 09:29:42 PM »

I work with a bunch of fundamentalist baptist types of Protestants at the farm I work at. Rarely does a day go by when one of them doesn't get on his soap box about something religious. And it drives me nuts, because they are so ignorant yet so immovable and obtuse in their opinions. Lately they have been hassling me about my Lenten penances, saying that Jesus died for our sins, and by doing so he paid our debt in full and to do strict fasting is like paganism.... "You don't have to do anything in order to get into heaven but ask Jesus Christ to be your personal lord and savior." I'm sure they're all praying for me, haha.

Personally I'd rather be around NO Catholics than bible thumpers. But I think I'm a little jaded on the evangelicals since I have to be around them so much.

Nadir · « **Reply #10 on:** March 08, 2014, 11:36:24 PM »

Quote from: jen51

Lately they have been hassling me about my Lenten penances, saying that Jesus died for our sins, and by doing so he paid our debt in full and to do strict fasting is like paganism.... "You don't have to do anything in order to get into heaven but ask Jesus Christ to be your personal lord and savior." .

They don't take the Bible seriously or else just mimic like parrots the slogans they hear.

Next time hit them with Colossians 1:24

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Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up those things that are wanting of the sufferings of Christ, in my flesh, for his body, which is the church:

crossbro · « **Reply #11 on:** March 09, 2014, 12:01:40 AM »

Protestants will have the edge in morals from studying the Bible over Libby Nomer and a big reason for that is because catechisms like the Baltimore have been trashed for a legalistic catechism that make everyone feel like a Church authority.

Instead of using straight forward common sense, people now start quoting statutes from the CCC or this or that statute from the catechism. No longer is there a sense of simple faith or trust.

St Magnus · « **Reply #12 on:** March 09, 2014, 01:53:52 AM »

Quote from: Frances

Quote from: St Magnus
Take a walk through the halls of the dorms at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville Ky and you will see what we have in common with them. The answer will be hanging on the doors. They HATE Catholicsim.

:dancing-banana:
Just out of curiosity, what DO they have hanging on the walls?

They have the run of the mill anti-Catholicism stuff. A lot of anti-Marian nonsense. Attacks on quotes of Saints and Popes.

For example, one dorm room had a photo of someone knelling in prayer before a statue of Our Lady. Below the photo was the 2nd commandment "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments."

TKGS · « **Reply #13 on:** March 09, 2014, 06:19:14 AM »

Frances had it right on the money, in part, in the second post. Traditional Catholics have more a lot in common with people of other religions than with Novus Ordo Catholics only in matters of sɛҳuąƖ morality. I don't think the same really necessarily applies to other moral matters.

In issues where money is concerned, many Protestants seem to think that riches are always a sign of God's blessings, at least when it comes to themselves, and many of them are ruthless in matters of money though they do genuinely give to many charities.

On war, they believe the United States is the New Jerusalem and they are very hawkish on the use of the military to protect Israel and other matters they decide are good for America (financially).

Only in matters dealing with the Sixth and Ninth Commandments are Protestants really close to Traditional Catholics, while the Novus Ordo Catholics have, in general, fallen into the cesspool. It is because these matters are so politically visible today that it seems that we are so close to them.

TheKnightVigilant · « **Reply #14 on:** March 09, 2014, 06:35:24 AM »

Don't take "conservative" protestants as representative of most prots. If you're talking about your typical Lutherans, Episcopalians, Quakers etc they are as liberal as novus ordo Catholics, and they constitute the bulk of the protestant demographic.

Furthermore, even the "conservative" prots endorse divorce and remarriage and the use of contraception.