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Disputaciones · « **on:** December 13, 2015, 07:35:58 PM »

I don't know about the U.S., but the Novus Ordo "vigils" here in Latin America are a total abomination. I have noticed that in this, in VIGILS, it is one of the things in which they go "overboard" in the Novus Ordo, compared to the regular day to day or Sunday to Sunday "mass". They are always very loud, long, they sing the same songs Protestants sing, also those stupid childish songs with rhetorical questions, and they have drums and loud speakers and the people are all clapping and dancing and "making a mess".

Are they the same in the U.S.?

OHCA · « **Reply #1 on:** December 13, 2015, 10:17:13 PM »

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I don't know about the U.S., but the Novus Ordo "vigils" here in Latin America are a total abomination. I have noticed that in this, in VIGILS, it is one of the things in which they go "overboard" in the Novus Ordo, compared to the regular day to day or Sunday to Sunday "mass". They are always very loud, long, they sing the same songs Protestants sing, also those stupid childish songs with rhetorical questions, and they have drums and loud speakers and the people are all clapping and dancing and "making a mess".

Are they the same in the U.S.?

The Easter Vigils that I attended in conciliardom were very long. What other vigils are you speaking of?

Disputaciones · « **Reply #2 on:** December 13, 2015, 11:27:44 PM »

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Quote from: Disputaciones
I don't know about the U.S., but the Novus Ordo "vigils" here in Latin America are a total abomination. I have noticed that in this, in VIGILS, it is one of the things in which they go "overboard" in the Novus Ordo, compared to the regular day to day or Sunday to Sunday "mass". They are always very loud, long, they sing the same songs Protestants sing, also those stupid childish songs with rhetorical questions, and they have drums and loud speakers and the people are all clapping and dancing and "making a mess".

Are they the same in the U.S.?

The Easter Vigils that I attended in conciliardom were very long. What other vigils are you speaking of?

They do like 3 or 4 during the entire year. Sometimes 2 I think. Today they did one of St. John of the Cross because the ill-fated new conventicle they built right in front of my house is dedicated to him. I looked at the traditional calendar and his day isn't tomorrow the 14th.

TKGS · « **Reply #3 on:** December 14, 2015, 07:48:16 AM »

In the U.S., the Novus Ordo really doesn't celebrate any vigils even if it's listed on the calendar. Frankly, I didn't think that the Novus Ordo had any vigils officially on the calendar.

Even the Easter "vigil" in the Novus Ordo is not a true vigil. Attending a vigil Mass does not excuse one from the obligation of attending the Sunday or Holy Day Mass.

Instead, for Holy Days and Sundays, the Novus Ordo has "anticipated" Mass the day before. They were originally supposed to be the evening before hand; the justification being that the Jєωιѕн day began at sundown. But waiting for sundown was "too burdensome" so most anticipated services start anywhere from 4:00 pm to around 6:00 or 6:30. I've seen one parish that had 7:00 pm Mass, though they changed it to 5:00 many years ago. I saw one parish advertise a 3:00 pm anticipated Mass (this was in Florida during the summer, so people could party on the beach Saturday night).

This practice has crept into the some indult Mass locations as well. For example, the Midnight Mass for the traditional Mass at the indult parish in Indianapolis (Holy Rosary) is advertised in their bulletin for 8:00 pm on the 24th. To be sure, they don't say "midnight Mass is at 8:00", they say this is the "Mass and Night".

By the way, the Novus Ordo uses a completely different calendar than the Catholic Church uses. Only real major feasts, i.e., the ones even Protestants recognize, are the same.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #4 on:** December 14, 2015, 12:20:49 PM »

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Modernism at work again: they've redefined the word "vigil." :reporter:

The Sunday "Vigil" on Saturday is the liturgy from Sunday performed the evening before, on Saturday. It's not a vigil in the traditional sense at all.

Effectively, it is a Judaization of the Catholic Church, in accord with the unclean spirit of Vatican II.

The Jєωs traditionally had their Sabbath on Saturday, for one, so having Sunday Mass on Saturday is really comfy for those who like to commemorate Judaism. But also, the Sabbath if you recall, started at sundown on Friday night, that is, the day BEFORE the Sabbath. So now these Sunday "vigils" are held at 5:00 pm Saturday, which ends up being after dark this time of year. (Curiously, it's during daylight in the summer especially with Daylight Savings Time.)

This was a project of Modernists like Roger Cardfile Balony and Joseph Bernardin (the head honcho of the Lavender Mafia). They made the excuse that today's busy families might have more important things to do on Sunday, like have a leisurely Champagne Brunch with their Jєωιѕн neighbors. So Mass gets in the way sometimes, and getting it over with on Saturday evening frees up your Sunday and as a fringe benefit makes your Jєωιѕн neighbors like you a lot more. Next thing you know, they'll bring over some Matzo Ball Soup when you have the flu! That'll make YOU feel better, too!

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poche · « **Reply #5 on:** December 16, 2015, 12:39:40 AM »

We have vigils every first Friday of the month. At the Novus Ordo parish there are long and loud prayers. I think you might be able to shorten your time in Purgatory if you went to one of these. They always start out with mass.
There is also a TLM parish that has a vigil at the same time. There is a high mass and afterwards there is exposition of the Blessed Sacrament. I understand that the priests hear confessions also. I think you would prefer this one.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #6 on:** December 16, 2015, 12:45:12 AM »

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Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #7 on:** December 16, 2015, 06:42:58 AM »

Around here the hand clapping and dancing is usually done at the a Spanish NO Masses and Charasmatic masses. The NO ordo laity have been brainwashed to be show offs. They can disrupt a low Latin mass. They have to be vocal. It really irks me. All people want to do is socialize.

TKGS · « **Reply #8 on:** December 16, 2015, 08:07:59 AM »

Quote from: poche

We have vigils every first Friday of the month. At the Novus Ordo parish there are long and loud prayers. I think you might be able to shorten your time in Purgatory if you went to one of these. They always start out with mass.
There is also a TLM parish that has a vigil at the same time. There is a high mass and afterwards there is exposition of the Blessed Sacrament. I understand that the priests hear confessions also. I think you would prefer this one.

What in the world are you talking about?

OHCA · « **Reply #9 on:** December 16, 2015, 09:46:08 PM »

Quote from: poche

We have vigils every first Friday of the month. At the Novus Ordo parish there are long and loud prayers. I think you might be able to shorten your time in Purgatory if you went to one of these. They always start out with mass.

I like how you mealy-mouthed left yourself plenty of wiggle room ambiguity (your "popes" would be proud) to say that "you" in the above is meant in the most general sense when we all know that, if not directed specifically at the op and/or other Catholics in this thread, that it is, in any event, of limited generality and directed at Catholics who call out the evils of conciliardom and shun its bastardized "masses" and its wolves in sheeps' clothing.

poche · « **Reply #10 on:** December 16, 2015, 10:51:52 PM »

Quote from: TKGS

Quote from: poche
We have vigils every first Friday of the month. At the Novus Ordo parish there are long and loud prayers. I think you might be able to shorten your time in Purgatory if you went to one of these. They always start out with mass.
There is also a TLM parish that has a vigil at the same time. There is a high mass and afterwards there is exposition of the Blessed Sacrament. I understand that the priests hear confessions also. I think you would prefer this one.

What in the world are you talking about?

The OP was asking about vigils in the United States. In this case I believe he was talking about mass and prayers that go on late into the night.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #11 on:** December 17, 2015, 12:55:57 AM »

Quote from: poche

Quote from: TKGS
Quote from: poche
We have vigils every first Friday of the month. At the Novus Ordo parish there are long and loud prayers. I think you might be able to shorten your time in Purgatory if you went to one of these. They always start out with mass.
There is also a TLM parish that has a vigil at the same time. There is a high mass and afterwards there is exposition of the Blessed Sacrament. I understand that the priests hear confessions also. I think you would prefer this one.

What in the world are you talking about?

The OP was asking about vigils in the United States. In this case I believe he was talking about mass and prayers that go on late into the night.

Case in point. Newmass Newcatholics think a vigil is like, you know, staying up late, man.

T-o-o-o-tally............... Like,,,,,,,,,,,,, gag me with a spoooon!

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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #12 on:** December 17, 2015, 01:43:20 AM »

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I don't know about the U.S., but the Novus Ordo "vigils" here in Latin America are a total abomination. I have noticed that in this, in VIGILS, it is one of the things in which they go "overboard" in the Novus Ordo, compared to the regular day to day or Sunday to Sunday "mass". They are always very loud, long, they sing the same songs Protestants sing, also those stupid childish songs with rhetorical questions, and they have drums and loud speakers and the people are all clapping and dancing and "making a mess".

Are they the same in the U.S.?

I can testify to one Novus Ordo parish I observed some number of years ago, for their Saturday evening so-called vigil mass. It was held at Saint Ferdinand's in San Fernando (San Fernando Valley, CA, a.k.a. "The Valley").

As I have previously explained, the so-called vigil mass in Los Angeles is a Novus Ordo innovation that allows the Sunday liturgy that would be done the following day (Sunday) to be held on Saturday (the day before Sunday), for the convenience of those who would like to do more important things on Sunday and this way they can get their Sunday obligation "over with" a day early. It comes down to the Church accommodating itself to the world, to meet modern expectations. It also is impressive to the Jєωs, BTW. But I'm sure that's coincidental. (--Rim shot--)

There is a chicano contingent in the area, and at this liturgy in particular, the front 2 pews were occupied by gang-looking boys and their respective girlfriends with too much makeup. The boys slouched in the pews with their arms in all positions, including lying on top of the pew back to one side or the other or both. The girls squirmed around in between, tossing their hair occasionally.

The music was supplied by a band. They had set up in the left transcept of the sancutary, on a raised platform, and the instruments were a prominent drum set including congos, snare, tenor, bass and high-hat. There were two electric guitars and one electric bass, and a keyboard, which used piano, organ and synthesizer modes. The band played loudly, but not too loud. It wasn't as obnoxious as a "rock concert."

But the part that really got to me was when the priest got into it. Literally. It was during the Offertory that he started to bounce on his toes, and bob his head forward in pace with the thumping of the bass drum. He did this as he walked around one side of the Novus Ordo table/altar, looking like he was going to do a Vaudeville act or something. His little walk was entirely out of place for the beginning of the Offertory, since he was not carrying any burning incense. The chicano boys in the pews really dug it. And that made their girlfriends happy, which I could see because they smiled a lot and stroked the arms of their boyfriends. So I guess one could say this was a "meaningful" experience for them.

But it made me sick, and I had to leave before I saw what the "consecration" looked like. I certainly didn't want to give myself any nightmares!! At some point later in the week I started to explain this scene to my daughter, who was rather innocent and inexperienced, but I thought she needed to know what the Novus Ordo has in store in some venues. She grumbled at me, asking, "Dad, why are you telling me this?"

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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #13 on:** December 17, 2015, 02:05:48 AM »

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Some of my readers might ask, "Is this a mistake?"

Quote from: Disputaciones

I don't know about the U.S., but the Novus Ordo "vigils" here in Latin America are a total abomination. I have noticed that in this, in VIGILS, it is one of the things in which they go "overboard" in the Novus Ordo, compared to the regular day to day or Sunday to Sunday "mass". They are always very loud, long, they sing the same songs Protestants sing, also those stupid childish songs with rhetorical questions, and they have drums and loud speakers and the people are all clapping and dancing and "making a mess".

Are they the same in the U.S.?

No, this is not a mistake.

I've been thinking about this OP from Disputaciones, and it reminds me of a video I've seen of Cardinal Bergoglio before the Conclave, etc., when he celebrated a youth Newmass in Argentina. There were a lot of balloons around and children misbehaving in the grandstand seating, along with section leaders, apparently doing like a pep rally sort of thing with cheering and clapping, which either was in sync with the amplified "music" or perhaps in COMPETITION with other sections. I wasn't quite sure.

So this is significant because the celebrant is now occupying the Chair of Peter, which even sedevacantists I doubt would deny.

I feel a song coming on!!! Which nobody can deny! Which nobody can deny! For he's a ------- never mind. (--sound track slows down and grinds to a halt--)
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Anyway, in retrospect, I'm kind of glad that Bergoglio did not bob his head or bounce on his toes like the celebrant at St. Ferdinand's above did. But then, considering some of the bizarre antics that he has performed like yanking the altar cloth out from under the candlesticks, and wearing a red bulbous clown nose in public (at a wedding, no less) and such like, I have to wonder -- when the moment is just right, would it be all that shocking if he didn't restrain himself any longer, and perhaps take a step or two out of character, for show, and like, with fists in the air, shake his bootie?

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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #14 on:** December 17, 2015, 02:42:30 AM »

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It was a lot like this children's mass video:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/3RJK0yULkCY[/youtube]

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