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Offline Miseremini

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Nov 11 Remember our veterans
« on: November 11, 2019, 01:07:54 PM »
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  • A terrific poem that tells it like it is. 


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    Where Did The Country Go Wrong

    He was getting old and paunchy
    His hair was falling fast,
    And he sat around the Legion,
    Telling stories of the past.
     
    Of a war that he once fought in
    And the deeds that he had done,
    In his exploits with his buddies;
    They were heroes, every one.

    And 'tho sometimes to his neighbors
    His tales became a joke,
    All his buddies listened quietly
    For they knew where of he spoke.
     
    But we'll hear his tales no longer,
    For ol' Joe has passed away,
    And the world's a little poorer
    For a Veteran died today.

    He won't be mourned by many,
    Just his children and his wife.
    For he lived an ordinary,
    Very quiet sort of life.

    He held a job and raised a family,
    Going quietly on his way;
    And the world won't note his passing,
    'Tho a Veteran died today.

    When politicians leave this earth,
    Their bodies lie in state,
    While thousands note their passing,
    And proclaim that they were great.

    Papers tell of their life stories
    From the time that they were young,
    But the passing of a Veteran
    Goes unnoticed, and unsung.

    Is the greatest contribution
    To the welfare of our land,
    Some jerk who breaks his promise
    And cons his fellow man?

    Or the ordinary fellow
    Who in times of war and strife,
    Goes off to serve his country
    And offers up his life?

    The politician's stipend
    And the style in which he lives,
    Are often disproportionate,
    To the service that he gives.

    While the ordinary Veteran,
    Who offered up his all,
    Is paid off with a medal
    And perhaps a pension, small.

    It is not the politicians
    With their compromise and ploys,
    Who won for us the freedom
    That our country now enjoys.
      
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    Should you find yourself in danger,
    With your enemies at hand,
    Would you really want some cop-out,
    With his ever-waffling stand?
     
    Or would you want a Veteran
    His home, his country, his kin,
    Just a common Veteran,
    Who would fight until the end.

    He was just a common Veteran,
    And his ranks are growing thin,
    But his presence should remind us
    We may need his likes again.

    For when countries are in conflict,
    We find the Veteran's part,
    Is to clean up all the troubles
    That the politicians start.

    If we cannot do him honor
    While he's here to hear the praise,
    Then at least let's give him homage
    At the ending of his days.

    Perhaps just a simple headline
    In the paper that might say:
    "OUR COUNTRY IS IN MOURNING,
    A VETERAN DIED TODAY."
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]



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    Re: Nov 11 Remember our veterans
    « Reply #1 on: November 11, 2019, 11:30:08 PM »
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  • A terrific poem that tells it like it is.
    I certainly have nothing against "telling it like it is," nor did 2 time Medal of Honor recipient Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler.  See his classic War is a Racket.

    Some more recent work from another experienced Marine Corps Officer: http://www.g2mil.com/.

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2019/11/laurence-m-vance/thank-you-for-what-service/

    Thank You for What Service?
    By Laurence M. Vance
    November 11, 2019

    Veterans Day should be renamed.

    It happened once before. Veterans Day was originally termed Armistice Day. It commemorated the signing of the armistice on November 11 that ended fighting on the Western Front in World War I. But because the “war to end all wars” didn’t, Armistice Day was renamed Veterans Day after World War II. President Eisenhower signed the legislation making the change on June 1, 1954.

    Since the first U.S. invasion of Iraq in 1991, and especially since the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq after 9/11, Veterans Day has taken on a new meaning: Military Appreciation Day. Although there are other national holidays (Memorial Day and the Fourth of July) that have degenerated into Military Appreciation Days, Veterans Day is the ultimate day to celebrate all things military.

    On Veterans Day, veterans and active duty military personnel can take advantage of special discounts at many places of business and free meals at restaurants. Many cities have parades in honor of the military. Both public and private schools have programs featuring local veterans and military personnel.

    Churches have “patriotic” services on the Sunday before Veterans Day where veterans and active duty military are encouraged to wear their uniforms to church, military anthems are played, the names of veterans are listed in the church bulletin, veterans are recognized and applauded during the Sunday morning church service, the church sign has the Scripture on it replaced with something about the military, and more prayers than usual are offered for “the troops.” Some churches show a video tribute to the troops, have a military color guard march down the main aisle to open the service, or have a military chaplain as the guest preacher.

    But above all, everyone in the country is bombarded with exhortations to find a veteran and say: “Thank you for your service.”

    Service in the military is called being in the service. But what “service” are we supposed to thank a veteran for? How did a veteran serve me or any other American by being in the military?

    I can see the point of thanking a waiter or waitress for their service because they actually served me, but the same is not true of a veteran of the U.S. military. Those in the military do many things, but serving me or any other American is not one of them.

    How were Americans served when veterans fought unjust and unnecessary wars?

    How were Americans served when veterans went to countries they had no business going?

    How were Americans served when veterans obeyed immoral orders?

    How were Americans served when veterans fought wars that were not constitutionally declared?

    How were Americans served when veterans maimed and killed foreigners who had never threatened any American?

    How were Americans served when veterans fought senseless and immoral wars?

    How were Americans served when veterans bombed foreign countries?

    How were Americans served when veterans unleashed sectarian violence?

    How were Americans served when veterans destroyed foreign industry, infrastructure, and culture?

    How were Americans served when veterans bombed, invaded, and occupied countries that posed no threat to the United States?

    How were Americans served when veterans carried out a flawed, reckless, and belligerent U.S. foreign policy?

    How were Americans served when veterans killed civilians in error (or on purpose) and dismissed it as collateral damage?

    How were Americans served when veterans made widows and orphans?

    How were Americans served when veterans carried out inaccurate drone strikes?

    How were Americans served when veterans fought wars of offense not defense?

    How were Americans served when veterans took sides in cινιℓ ωαrs?

    How were Americans served when veterans acted as the world’s policemen?

    How were Americans served when veterans acted as a global force for evil?

    How were Americans served when veterans acted as the president’s personal attack force?

    How were Americans served when veterans traveled the world, met interesting people, and then killed them?

    The answer is: I wasn’t, and neither was any other American.

    However, there are people and organizations that veterans have served.

    Presidents have reason to say to veterans, “Thank you for your service.”

    Secretaries of Defense have reason to say to veterans, “Thank you for your service.”

    Army generals have reason to say to veterans, “Thank you for your service.”

    The Joint Chiefs of Staff have reason to say to veterans, “Thank you for your service.”

    Navy captains have reason to say to veterans, “Thank you for your service.”

    Air Force commanders have reason to say to veterans, “Thank you for your service.”

    The military-industrial complex has reason to say to veterans, “Thank you for your service.”

    Defense contractors have reason to say to veterans, “Thank you for your service.”

    Most Americans don’t belong to any of the above groups. Why, then, should they thank veterans for their service?


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    Re: Nov 11 Remember our veterans
    « Reply #2 on: November 11, 2019, 11:36:04 PM »
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  • I think we should pray for those who have died. May their souls and the souls of all the faithful departed rest in peace. Amen.
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    Re: Nov 11 Remember our veterans
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  • I think we should pray for those who have died. May their souls and the souls of all the faithful departed rest in peace. Amen.
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    How uplifting!  I think we should brush our teeth every day and say our morning and evening prayers

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    Re: Nov 11 Remember our veterans
    « Reply #4 on: November 12, 2019, 12:28:31 PM »
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  • I certainly have nothing against "telling it like it is," nor did 2 time Medal of Honor recipient Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler.  See his classic War is a Racket.

    Some more recent work from another experienced Marine Corps Officer: http://www.g2mil.com/.

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2019/11/laurence-m-vance/thank-you-for-what-service/

    Thank You for What Service?
    By Laurence M. Vance
    November 11, 2019

    Veterans Day should be renamed.

    It happened once before. Veterans Day was originally termed Armistice Day. It commemorated the signing of the armistice on November 11 that ended fighting on the Western Front in World War I. But because the “war to end all wars” didn’t, Armistice Day was renamed Veterans Day after World War II. President Eisenhower signed the legislation making the change on June 1, 1954.

    Since the first U.S. invasion of Iraq in 1991, and especially since the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq after 9/11, Veterans Day has taken on a new meaning: Military Appreciation Day. Although there are other national holidays (Memorial Day and the Fourth of July) that have degenerated into Military Appreciation Days, Veterans Day is the ultimate day to celebrate all things military.

    On Veterans Day, veterans and active duty military personnel can take advantage of special discounts at many places of business and free meals at restaurants. Many cities have parades in honor of the military. Both public and private schools have programs featuring local veterans and military personnel.

    Churches have “patriotic” services on the Sunday before Veterans Day where veterans and active duty military are encouraged to wear their uniforms to church, military anthems are played, the names of veterans are listed in the church bulletin, veterans are recognized and applauded during the Sunday morning church service, the church sign has the Scripture on it replaced with something about the military, and more prayers than usual are offered for “the troops.” Some churches show a video tribute to the troops, have a military color guard march down the main aisle to open the service, or have a military chaplain as the guest preacher.

    But above all, everyone in the country is bombarded with exhortations to find a veteran and say: “Thank you for your service.”

    Service in the military is called being in the service. But what “service” are we supposed to thank a veteran for? How did a veteran serve me or any other American by being in the military?

    I can see the point of thanking a waiter or waitress for their service because they actually served me, but the same is not true of a veteran of the U.S. military. Those in the military do many things, but serving me or any other American is not one of them.

    How were Americans served when veterans fought unjust and unnecessary wars?

    How were Americans served when veterans went to countries they had no business going?

    How were Americans served when veterans obeyed immoral orders?

    How were Americans served when veterans fought wars that were not constitutionally declared?

    How were Americans served when veterans maimed and killed foreigners who had never threatened any American?

    How were Americans served when veterans fought senseless and immoral wars?

    How were Americans served when veterans bombed foreign countries?

    How were Americans served when veterans unleashed sectarian violence?

    How were Americans served when veterans destroyed foreign industry, infrastructure, and culture?

    How were Americans served when veterans bombed, invaded, and occupied countries that posed no threat to the United States?

    How were Americans served when veterans carried out a flawed, reckless, and belligerent U.S. foreign policy?

    How were Americans served when veterans killed civilians in error (or on purpose) and dismissed it as collateral damage?

    How were Americans served when veterans made widows and orphans?

    How were Americans served when veterans carried out inaccurate drone strikes?

    How were Americans served when veterans fought wars of offense not defense?

    How were Americans served when veterans took sides in cινιℓ ωαrs?

    How were Americans served when veterans acted as the world’s policemen?

    How were Americans served when veterans acted as a global force for evil?

    How were Americans served when veterans acted as the president’s personal attack force?

    How were Americans served when veterans traveled the world, met interesting people, and then killed them?

    The answer is: I wasn’t, and neither was any other American.

    However, there are people and organizations that veterans have served.

    Presidents have reason to say to veterans, “Thank you for your service.”

    Secretaries of Defense have reason to say to veterans, “Thank you for your service.”

    Army generals have reason to say to veterans, “Thank you for your service.”

    The Joint Chiefs of Staff have reason to say to veterans, “Thank you for your service.”

    Navy captains have reason to say to veterans, “Thank you for your service.”

    Air Force commanders have reason to say to veterans, “Thank you for your service.”

    The military-industrial complex has reason to say to veterans, “Thank you for your service.”

    Defense contractors have reason to say to veterans, “Thank you for your service.”

    Most Americans don’t belong to any of the above groups. Why, then, should they thank veterans for their service?
    I certainly do concur with Mr. Vance. Having seen the sycophants of military worship within a church when I was visiting when you’re down in Mississippi, it is pretty bad. Mind you they were southern Baptist. Catch my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ was nowhere in the building. I don’t think he ever is with respect to that particular  worship center.
    From the Canadian side of things. Saw commercial for remembrance day were enough people talking about you have the freedom to do this in the freedom to do this and that Unfortunately that is a pack of lies. Freedom is very relative.
    Long live in independent Alberta. The Maple leaf we sever.
    Da pacem Domine in diebus nostris
    Qui non est alius
    Qui pugnet pro nobis
    Nisi  tu Deus noster


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    Re: Nov 11 Remember our veterans
    « Reply #5 on: November 16, 2019, 08:27:45 PM »
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  • THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED IN CANADA ON REMEMBRANCE DAY:

    Veteran broadcaster, 85, fired after 38-year career for saying...
    Posted: 15 Nov 2019 09:23 PM PST


    DAILYKENN.com -- A headline reads, "Canadian hockey broadcaster Don Cherry fired after immigrant rant."




    Cherry is an 85-year-old sports commentator who has been on the job for 38 years. He was fired after criticizing those who refused to honor Canada's military veterans. His criticism was presumed to rebuke aliens; Muslims in particular. 

    Canadians honor veterans by wearing poppies one day each year. Aliens, particularly Muslims, obfuscate the tradition to the chagrin of patriots. Cherry took note that aliens flock to Canada to enjoy the culture's benefits, but fail to respect the veterans whose service helped secure that culture. He was promptly fired.  

    • Truth may not be acknowledged when it is not commensurate with cultural Marxism dogma. While there may be no law prohibiting free speech, punishment for truthtelling is, nonetheless, administered. There is no law. There is no arrest. There is no trial. There is only subjective decisions made by corporate authorities to administer punishment. 

    • Aliens are a protected class. Their tendency to undermine nationalism and patriotism is key to an apparent globalist agenda. Consequently, they must be revered and respected. The exceptions, of course, are immigrants who embrace the values of Western culture. 

    • Leftism hates iconography that advances patriotism because it discourages globalism. Those icons may be flags, statues, national anthems, MAGA hats, or poppy pins.

    Excerpt from foxnews.com ▼


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    Former Boston Bruins’ head coach and well known Canadian sportscaster Don Cherry was fired Monday after stirring controversy with his on-camera comments about immigration.

    Cherry, host of “Coach’s Corner” on “Hockey Night in Canada,” left viewers shocked during Saturday’s segment after his remarks accusing “you people” -- ostensibly a reference to immigrants -- of disrespecting veterans on Canada’s Remembrance Day.

    "I live in Mississauga [Ontario]. Very few people wear the poppy,” Cherry said according to ESPN, referring to the veterans remembrance pin.

    “Downtown Toronto, forget it. Nobody wears the poppy...Now you go to the small cities. You people...that come here, whatever it is -- you love our way of life. You love our milk and honey. At least you can pay a couple bucks for a poppy or something like that.”

    He added: “These guys paid for your way of life that you enjoy in Canada. These guys paid the biggest price for that.”

    Sportsnet President Bart Yabsley issued a statement on Monday announcing that Cherry would “immediately step down” following his “divisive” comments.
     

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    Re: Nov 11 Remember our veterans
    « Reply #6 on: November 17, 2019, 12:52:45 PM »
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  • Mr Cherry was unfairly fired.  He speaks the proof.  This is is happening everywhere the world.  

    My mostly Catholic American hometown has been taking over by non Christian pseudo refugees.  They took over our schools.
    And not one of them participated nor were any on the side lines of the 4th of July parade.  Because they God and our country.  The Hierarchy Catholic Church is to blame for taking dirty government money to relocate these devil worshippers.  

    Thanks Mr Cherry for being an honest patriot for Canada. 
    May God bless you and keep you

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    Re: Nov 11 Remember our veterans
    « Reply #7 on: November 17, 2019, 01:12:40 PM »
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  • A terrific poem that tells it like it is.
    A very nice poem. Thank you for posting it.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: Nov 11 Remember our veterans
    « Reply #8 on: November 17, 2019, 01:25:33 PM »
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  • A very nice poem. Thank you for posting it.
    I thought so but it got 3 thumbs down.
    I guess they aren't old enough to have known the vets who came home no less a hero with terrible wounds
    and shell shock (PTSD) and quietly carried on.
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]


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    Re: Nov 11 Remember our veterans
    « Reply #9 on: November 17, 2019, 05:16:29 PM »
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  • I thought so but it got 3 thumbs down.
    I guess they aren't old enough to have known the vets who came home no less a hero with terrible wounds
    and shell shock (PTSD) and quietly carried on.

    I don't understand why your post got three thumbs down. Maybe it's because of the unjust wars and military engagements that the U.S. has been involved in (and there are plenty of those), but the average men who serve in the military aren't the one's who call the shots, and they are the one's, more often than not, who are put in harm's way.

    If you ever want to tell us any stories of those who have served in years or decades past, I for one would like to hear them. God bless those who have suffered with, as you say, terrible wounds and shell shock (now called PTSD), and quietly carried on.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Nov 11 Remember our veterans
    « Reply #10 on: November 17, 2019, 05:38:07 PM »
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  • I don't understand why your post got three thumbs down. Maybe it's because of the unjust wars and military engagements that the U.S. has been involved in (and there are plenty of those),

    Miseremini also got 2 thumbs up, which I think is just about the expected balance. Thumbs happen - so what!

    I think the reason is pretty much spelled out in Klas's article he posted.

    I am sorry for those who go into the services thinking that their country is going to use their troops for just purposes. I think it has pretty obvious for decades that their cause (especially for the U.S.) is not just.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.


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    Re: Nov 11 Remember our veterans
    « Reply #11 on: November 17, 2019, 05:43:41 PM »
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  • Miseremini also got 2 thumbs up, which I think is just about the expected balance. Thumbs happen - so what!

    I think the reason is pretty much spelled out in Klas's article he posted.

    I am sorry for those who go into the services thinking that their country is going to use their troops for just purposes. I think it has pretty obvious for decades that their cause (especially for the U.S.) is not just.

    I'm glad that you are sorry for those who go into the services thinking that the country is going to use the troops for just purposes. But you aren't taking into account those who were conscripted - for whom military service was compulsory. In either case, the men who were wounded and came back really did suffer - and they aren't the one's who started the wars and other military involvement. It's not their fault.

    I wasn't interested in Klas' Article. It seemed inappropriate.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Nov 11 Remember our veterans
    « Reply #12 on: November 17, 2019, 06:38:03 PM »
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  • Klas' article is most appropriate.

    It takes into mind those who suffer most greviously at the hands of the US (and I am sad to say) Aussie military. 

    And I do not forget those who were conscripted. I was around at the time of the Vietnam war, and I had a friend who was conscripted for it and still suffers today, and another friend who went to gaol rather than be conscripted to fight in that war.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Re: Nov 11 Remember our veterans
    « Reply #13 on: November 17, 2019, 07:34:49 PM »
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  • Thank you for the good wishes and the post, Miseremini.  It has been my honor to serve you and my country.  

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    Re: Nov 11 Remember our veterans
    « Reply #14 on: November 19, 2019, 06:36:40 PM »
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  • Just for the record -- I do have sympathy for veterans (but certainly not all of them), whether they want it or not, especially the ones who were injured.

    My dad was the MD for an infantry battalion in WW II.  He and his jeep driver went over a land mine.  The driver was killed instantly and my dad ended up in a hospital in the States where he spent about a year recovering before being given an Honorable Medical Discharge.  He drew a disability check for the rest of his life, although he still managed -- albeit with chronic pain -- able to lead a fully productive life as a physician.  (Just to make this a bit more personal I might add that my poor dad was bedridden for much of his childhood with polio.  He was an only child, but had a pet dog which was very dear to him.  I think he was about 10 when the dog got hit by a trolley and had one of its legs sliced off.  A cop arrived on the scene and put it out of its misery with one shot from his pistol.  Yup, that was my poor old dad who got conscripted into the army for WW II, arguably the last war the U.S. was ever in that could possibly, but not necessarily, be considered a just war for the U.S. according to traditional Catholic Just War teachings.)

    My nephew was in Motor T in Iraq.  He got a severe concussion and was discharged with !00% disability.  I have sympathy for him, but how I wish I could have talked him out of ever signing up for the army in the first place.  (I wonder if he thought he was a part of a valiant effort to protect the world from Muslim invaders.  If anything, he was part of a God awful destructive campaign which as a consequence led to a large scale "invasion/exodus" of Muslims to Europe, Canada, the U.S..)

    It's so unfortunate that so many young men (and worse yet) women sign up for the military based on sheer ignorance.  (Perhaps, the onlly thing worse is when they sign up and they know exactly what they are getting into!)  The military is made to look so very attractive.  One gets easily blinded by all the PR hype which the services have had ages to bring to a real state of the art.  

    I was extremely naive back in '68.  All it took was one flashy "Few Good Men" poster to work its magic on me.  I walked off the sidewalk in Albany, NY, went up a flight or two of stairs and signed up for 4 years.  (The only question I remember asking was for how long it was; the answer was 2, 3, or 4 years.  The entire process took perhaps 15 minutes and I was out the door, having signed a contract of servitude with Uncle Sam for 4 entire years.  Ha, talk about dumb, talk about stupid, talk about downright ignorant.  Yup, I was all 3 and it certainly wasn't the recruiter's legal obligation to inform me of any possible "down sides" to the proposal I so I more or less mindlessly signed.  All I knew was that I was going to try to save the world from the Commies and the "icing on the cake" was that I was going -- at least in my mind -- to be a war hero (read "John Wayne" fantasy) in the process.  How proud (I thought) I was going to make my folks (who I did not consult with), especially after I had disgraced myself by dropping out of my first year in college.

    In any event, like I said I do "have sympathy for veterans," but definitely not all of them.  I just want the coverage of vets to be balanced by the hard perspective of all the evil destruction they so often are a part of.  Imagine yourself being a citizen (whether you be a Muslim or any other false religion)  and having your country invaded by a supposedly Christian country.  Imagine you lost your spouse or he or she is a real basket case and or the same thing for any of your children or imagine you are a child having one or more of your siblings and or your mother and or your father killed or seriously injured by those wonderful Americans who are supposedly only there so they can bring you freedom.  Yup, it's a whole different perspective and yet a very important perspective which should not be marginalized or even completely ignored.

    P.S. As for WW II, if we had ever lost it a whole lot of our vets from top to bottom could have been and probably would have been rightfully subjected to prosecution for horrific war crimes.