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Title: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: jman123 on April 15, 2019, 12:30:11 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6925015/Fire-breaks-historic-Notre-Dame-cathedral-Paris.html

This is bad and so tragic
 
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: Incredulous on April 15, 2019, 12:38:02 PM
Quote from: jman123 on April 15, 2019, 12:30:11 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6925015/Fire-breaks-historic-Notre-Dame-cathedral-Paris.html

This is bad and so tragic
 

As prophesied, a portent of more fires to come for that city.
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: X on April 15, 2019, 01:02:07 PM
 :(
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: Matthew on April 15, 2019, 01:19:55 PM
A few thoughts:

1. France used to be "the Eldest Daughter of The Church"
2. The corruption of the best is the worst. France is now the worst.
3. France, and Catholic Europe in general, is much more decadent than the United States for example.
4. The French have had this beautiful reminder of their Catholic past, Christendom, and the Tridentine Mass for how many decades and centuries? And did it convert them? No, as a whole the French have spit on this beautiful grace from God to convert them.
5. God's mercy will not be trampled upon forever. God has now withdrawn this mercy.

6. If the White House burned to the ground, that building is only what, 150 years old? This building is 800+ years old.
7. Although the White House is more iconic and easily recognizable to Americans, that is not true for the whole world. If you count the whole world, Notre Dame is MUCH more famous, visited, and noticeable than the White House. Many more movies and books worldwide, throughout history, feature Notre Dame than the White House.
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: Seraphina on April 15, 2019, 01:20:46 PM
Quote from: Incredulous on April 15, 2019, 12:38:02 PM
As prophesied, a portent of more fires to come for that city.
Exactly.  Watch on RT.  The birds chirp cheerfully away while European Christendom burns.  
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: Olduvai Oliphant on April 15, 2019, 01:21:24 PM
So, Will the news media tell us the truth about how it started?
If it happens that Muslim Terrorists set it, we will ever know the truth?

I know which way I'm betting....................................
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: Seraphina on April 15, 2019, 01:23:06 PM
Quote from: Olduvai Oliphant on April 15, 2019, 01:21:24 PM
So, Will the news media tell us the truth about how it started?
If it happens that Muslim Terrorists set it, we will ever know the truth?

I know which way I'm betting....................................
I second that...
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: Matthew on April 15, 2019, 01:24:52 PM
I thought of that too.

I bet a few Muslims were hired to help with the renovation. I'm sure they wouldn't mind having this large Cathedral gone -- it helps them level the playing field.

There are already so many mosques in Paris.
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: josefamenendez on April 15, 2019, 01:49:50 PM
It's so shocking to watch.
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: ihsv on April 15, 2019, 01:51:12 PM
The Crown of Thorns is kept there
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: X on April 15, 2019, 02:11:29 PM
When New Yorkers rioted against Irish (Catholic) immigration, and menaced Catholic Churches, the city’s first Archbishop (Hughes) famously declared that if a single Catholic Church were burnt, New York would be turned into Moscow overnight (ie., a reference to the Russian “scorched earth” policy against the Napoleonic campaigns).

Not a single church was touched.

Then again, the Masonic Cardinal Archbishop of Paris is a long way from Archbishop Hughes.
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: X on April 15, 2019, 02:18:28 PM
Quote from: ihsv on April 15, 2019, 01:51:12 PM
The Crown of Thorns is kept there

Obviously, that would be an incalculable loss.

Actually, the safety of that Crown is my primary concern with this whole event.

Preserving it would be worth dying for.
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: 1st Mansion Tenant on April 15, 2019, 02:24:18 PM
And in Holy Week. No coincidence.
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: NaomhAdhamhnan on April 15, 2019, 02:27:59 PM
It is tragic.

The buildings are all that remains of the Faith in Europe.

Hopefully this is a sign God is about to pull the plug on the sewer that was once called Christendom.

Just last Friday, a Muz Jihadi was jailed for her attempt at blowing up Notre Dame Cathedral two years ago. The likelihood of these two recent events being unrelated is slim.
https://www.thejournal.ie/france-jails-jihadist-woman-accused-over-foiled-terror-attack-in-paris-4590216-Apr2019/?fbclid=IwAR2oXH0dRPlGA5ocKNThRWJG1ygQQfZnO9_pSAQsuPeQHe0uyT1_vZwyeZg (https://www.thejournal.ie/france-jails-jihadist-woman-accused-over-foiled-terror-attack-in-paris-4590216-Apr2019/?fbclid=IwAR2oXH0dRPlGA5ocKNThRWJG1ygQQfZnO9_pSAQsuPeQHe0uyT1_vZwyeZg)
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: NaomhAdhamhnan on April 15, 2019, 02:29:49 PM
https://www.thejournal.ie/france-jails-jihadist-woman-accused-over-foiled-terror-attack-in-paris-4590216-Apr2019/ (https://www.thejournal.ie/france-jails-jihadist-woman-accused-over-foiled-terror-attack-in-paris-4590216-Apr2019/)
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: Ladislaus on April 15, 2019, 02:36:31 PM
That Cathedral was built around the Traditional Mass.  They took away the Mass, so God took away the Cathedral.
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: Seraphina on April 15, 2019, 02:37:42 PM
Time for another Crusade, but instead, it'll be a jihad.  Whatever comes, it's in the Catholic God's Hands.  The hottest anger of Christ against His disobedient people triumphs over that of all the idolatrous gods and their slaves, Allah, Mohammed, and the Mooslims.  
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: Miseremini on April 15, 2019, 02:38:07 PM
My grandson, (17) just returned from a pilgrimage to Notre Dame during March break.
He's devastated.
I'm thankful he brought back so many beautiful pictures...especially of the Crown of Thorns.
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: hollingsworth on April 15, 2019, 02:45:28 PM
Yes, it could be the Muslims.  But blame for 911 was laid at the feet of Muslims. 18 years later, it seems more likely that Israel and Mossad were the more likely candidates.  So in the case of Notre Dame, why shouldn't they be held equally suspect?
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: X on April 15, 2019, 02:51:19 PM
Apparently the roof and main spire have collapsed; it is starting to look like the cathedral will not be saved:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rt.com/news/456621-macron-notre-dame-paris-burning/amp/ (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rt.com/news/456621-macron-notre-dame-paris-burning/amp/)

Did anyone think to rescue the Crown??
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: Ladislaus on April 15, 2019, 02:52:09 PM
Quote from: hollingsworth on April 15, 2019, 02:45:28 PM
Yes, it could be the Muslims.

And who's to blame for the Muslims?
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: St Ignatius on April 15, 2019, 03:13:25 PM
Quote from: X on April 15, 2019, 02:51:19 PM
Did anyone think to rescue the Crown??
Just heard a report that the Crown was rescued... along with much of the art.
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: Matthew on April 15, 2019, 03:36:43 PM
Obama just chimed in.

Interesting what he said: he focused on "rebuilding for the future" -- yeah, considering Paris's, France's, and Europe's future is going to be increasingly Muslim -- and Obama is a Muslim himself. He's probably chuckling to himself.
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: Olduvai Oliphant on April 15, 2019, 03:37:09 PM
Well, the crown was saved...
"Good news: all the works of art were saved. The treasure of the Cathedral is intact, the Crown of thorns, the Holy sacraments," Nicolas Delesalle tweeted

"Une bonne nouvelle : toutes les œuvres d’art ont été sauvées. Le trésor de la cathédrale est intact, la couronne d’épines, les saints sacrements"
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: Smedley Butler on April 15, 2019, 03:39:55 PM
Quote from: St Ignatius on April 15, 2019, 03:13:25 PM
Just heard a report that the Crown was rescued... along with much of the art.
I pray that is true.
This is a divine punishment.
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: Matthew on April 15, 2019, 03:40:23 PM
Quote from: hollingsworth on April 15, 2019, 02:45:28 PM
Yes, it could be the Muslims.  But blame for 911 was laid at the feet of Muslims. 18 years later, it seems more likely that Israel and Mossad were the more likely candidates.  So in the case of Notre Dame, why shouldn't they be held equally suspect?

Even if it plays into the Jєωs hands, even if we're being played, we would still DO WELL to go ahead and start World War 3 against the Muslims. Fight them unto complete subjugation.
It's inevitable. It is going to happen eventually. If we don't, then they are going to subjugate us. Which is better?

Even if the Jєωs are the ones pulling the strings, the Muslims are still our mortal enemy.
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: Matthew on April 15, 2019, 03:43:41 PM
I like Fr. Girouard's take on this disaster:

https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/the-raped-cathedral-now-freed-by-fire/ (https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/the-raped-cathedral-now-freed-by-fire/)

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But let us also remember that this Catholic Cathedral, like so many other traditional churches, has been taken by force by the Modernists, and has been used and abused, and spiritually raped by these intruders. Indeed, while it had been built to proclaim the true Faith and the true and only King and Savior, it has been used since the Council to promote the equality and goodness of all religions and even of atheism. The Cathedral has also been forced to host the celebration of a bastard rite of Mass, and who knows of how many blasphemous and immoral activities?

She is now free from her tormentors. She is being exorcised and purified by fire.

The flames shooting up to the sky represent the soul of the Cathedral, the soul of the true Church, reaching out to Heaven and crying to God : "Veni Domine, et Noli Tardare! Come O Lord, and do not delay!"
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: ihsv on April 15, 2019, 04:06:24 PM
Notre Dame Priest Says All Precious Artefacts And Artwork Have Been Saved

A Notre Dame cathedral priest has claimed that all precious artefacts and artwork have been saved from the historic building.

In a tweet, French journalist Nicolas Delesalle cited Père Frédéric, writing: "Good news: all the works of art were saved. The treasure of the Cathedral is intact, the Crown of thorns, the Holy sacraments."

Read the Rest Here (http://www.ladbible.com/news/news-fire-at-notre-dame-cathedral-has-spread-to-rectangular-tower-20190415)
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: Cera on April 15, 2019, 04:11:11 PM
An ISIS Plot to Blow Up Notre Dame Cathedral—and Rule the World?
The elderly, taxi drivers, flower sellers—all are fair game in the ISIS rule book: You obey them, or you’re dead.
 (https://www.thedailybeast.com/author/michael-weiss)Michael Weiss
 (https://www.thedailybeast.com/author/michael-weiss)
09.08.16 1:00 AM ET
(https://img.thedailybeast.com/image/upload/c_crop,d_placeholder_euli9k,h_2362,w_4200,x_0,y_0/dpr_1.5/c_limit,w_1044/fl_lossy,q_auto/v1492109385/articles/2016/09/08/an-isis-plot-to-blow-up-notre-dame-cathedral-and-rule-the-world/160907-weiss-notre-dame-tease_vy00l9)

(file photo) Charles Platiau/Reuters

The probable attack was uncovered in Paris on Sunday morning, at about 7 a.m., but the average citizen did not hear about it until Wednesday when French news outlets reported it as the confiscation of a car filled with seven propane tanks on a street near Notre Dame cathedral.
No detonators or other explosive devices were found inside, but docuмents in Arabic were.
The vehicle, a Peugeot 607, raised suspicions in the 5th arrondissement because it had been parked improperly with its lights still on and the license plates had been removed, possibly because the car had been listed as stolen.
Then, late Tuesday evening, two unnamed suspects, a 34-year-old man and a 29-year-old woman, both known to France’s domestic intelligence service, as BFMTV reported (http://www.bfmtv.com/societe/paris-une-voiture-pleine-de-bonbonnes-de-gaz-retrouvee-pres-de-notre-dame-1034389.html), “for espousing the ideology of Daesh,” were taken into custody at police headquarters, where they remain as of this writing.
Little else is known about them or their connection to Daesh, which is the impolite Arabic acronym for the Islamic State, or ISIS.
Were these operatives, like the previous Paris attackers led by Abdelhamid Abaaoud (https://www.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybeast/articles/2015/11/18/the-isis-poster-boy-for-paris-attack-is-no-mastermind.html), trained up in Syria and dispatched back into the Continent to lie in wait until called upon to execute their ghastly mission? Or were they “lone wolves” or “stray dogs” merely inspired by ISIS to commit mass murder, in this case against a cosmopolitan world capital in a popular tourist destination where many practicing Catholics would be attending Mass on Sunday?
This is the way we live now, in fear of the next headline from anywhere on planet Earth heralding another near miss or stunningly successful atrocity. And the Notre Dame plot, if we can safely assume it was a plot, came just days after the confirmed demise of the veteran jihadist (https://www.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybeast/articles/2016/08/30/the-isis-attack-dog-reported-dead.html) who arguably did the most to transform the age of sacred terror into a new age of anxiety.
Abu Muhammed al-Adnani’s last communique as ISIS’s spokesman and overseer of international operations came in late May of this year. Anticipating the further loss of cities and villages, he cautioned the faithful not to despair and again emphasized the exportation of holy war as an obligation of all Muslims, a motif that has been serially mischaracterized in the media as a shift or pivot in ISIS’s long-term strategy.
In reality, it is the culmination of a long-held fever dream of world domination, one that began in the late 1990s and was intermittently implemented, mainly in Mesopotamia and the Levant, under the guidance of the Jordanian Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the founding father of ISIS’s first incarnation, al-Qaeda in Iraq.
Zarqawi’s expansionism was ultimately apocalyptic: He was fond of citing a hadith, or saying attributable to the Prophet Muhammed, that foretold the inevitable clash between the Armies of Rome and the Armies of Islam in a scruffy little town in the Syrian province of Aleppo known as Dabiq, now also the name of ISIS’s two-year-old propaganda magazine. “The spark has been lit here in Iraq,” Zarqawi said, in one of his own sayings that has furnished the epigraph of every issue of this grim periodical, “and its heat will continue to intensify—by Allah’s permission—until it burns the crusader armies in Dabiq.” (ISIS holds Dabiq, although in the coming weeks it will likely lose it either to American-backed Kurdish guerrillas or Turkish-backed Arabs rebels, assuming they’re not too busy fighting each other.)
Lately, Zarqawi’s fever dream has been reified as a declaration of total war against disbelievers wherever they may be and as his early recruit and confidant Adnani envisaged. Does this mean then, in the near term, that ISIS envisages driving Abrams tanks and Humvees down Pennsylvania Avenue or the Champs-Élysées the way it drove them into Mosul two years ago? No. It means sowing mayhem and destruction in the Land of Disbelievers and watching these societies cannibalize themselves in advance of the future Islamic conquest. The sequence of war was written up centuries ago.
“O soldiers of the Islamic State,” Adnani intoned in May, “examine and tend to your intentions! Mend your thoughts! And be happy with the news that you are supported by Allah, for verily we are upon clear guidance and we were not deceived. By Allah, we were not deceived. Give the news to Al Salul [an impolite way of referring to the Saudi monarchy] of that which will soon harm them, by Allah’s permission. They will be the first to be defeated, if Allah wills… Though the fuqaha [jurisprudents] of old differed about the meaning of conquering the Arabian Peninsula, its meaning today is very clear! Our Prophet was truthful and did not lie. Determination! Determination! You— on behalf of the Ummah— are fighting against all nations. If you are resolute, you will win. If you flinch, you will fail and lose.”
This injunction to kill wantonly in Saudi Arabia came after a more infamous one, delivered in 2014, in which Adnani encouraged Muslims to shoot, stab, bludgeon, or run over infidels in the West.
So came the question: Was the updated sermon a geographical relocation of ISIS’s international priorities? Was taking the fight to the Wahhabist kingdom, where during the holy month of Ramadan this year the agents of Adnani struck near the U.S. consulate in Jeddah, blew up a Shia mosque in Qatif, and horrified even Salafi-jihadists by setting off a bomb in Medina, near the burial site of the Prophet Muhammed (https://www.cnn.com/2016/07/05/asia/ramadan-violence/), now of greater urgency than destroying the “filthy French”?
And what did Adnani mean by age-old clerical disputes about conquering the Arabian Peninsula?
He was alluding to a hadith, which runs thus: “You will attack Arabia and Allah will enable you to conquer it, then you would attack Persia and He would make you to conquer it. Then you would attack Rome and Allah will enable you to conquer it, then you would attack the Dajjal [Islam’s version of the AntiChrist] and Allah will enable you to conquer him.”
In a second, clarifying hadith, the Prophet is asked which city will be conquered first: Rome or Constantinople, used here as a synecdoche for Byzantium, which at the time included parts of the contemporary state of Syria. Muhammed responds that “the city of Heraclius” will be conquered first, meaning Constantinople.
As it happens, this second hadith closes out the inaugural issue of Rumiyah, or Rome, ISIS’s newest propaganda magazine (PDF (https://azelin.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/rome-magazine-1.pdf)), which was hastily edited and rushed into publication this week in order to eulogize Adnani and expand on his encompassing definition of those marked for death. Who are these unlucky many, exactly? An unsigned article at the back of the book entitled, “The Kafir’s Blood is Halal For You, So Shed It,” helpfully provides a detailed set of answers.
ISIS’s targets around the world are the mushrikin, or polytheists, who do not fall under the category of people with a valid covenant, or non-Muslims who believe in the one true God and are thus eligible to inhabit in Muslim lands in a state of dhimmah, second- or third-class citizenship, provided they abide by sharia law and pay jizya, the tax levied against them. Needless to add, the majority of Christians and Jєωs do not live nor wish to live under such conditions.
ISIS grades into hermeneutical specifics, legitimating their spate of terrorist attacks against anyone who wittingly or unwittingly serves as an accomplice to the disbelievers: In practice, this could be any person who is not an agent of ISIS living in any country with an army or air force participating in the coalition war—or even any country sitting out that war and yet still culpable for “tyrannical” practices. Adnani did not exaggerate when he said that ISIS was fighting “all nations.”
Rumiyah notes, this time quoting the Quran, that once the “sacred months” have passed, it is the duty of Muslims to “kill the mushrikin wherever you find them and take them, surround them, and wait for them at every outpost.”
Women and children needn’t be killed, Rumiyah explains, not because doing so is inherently evil but because it is inexpedient. “Our opinion regarding this—and Allah knows best—is that the restriction exists so that they can become slaves, which is more beneficial than killing them, and killing them does not harm the enemy; so making them slaves is more optimal than killing them,” the article states, no doubt keeping in mind the still-thriving trade of sex slaves (https://www.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybeast/articles/2016/05/03/life-after-sɛҳuąƖ-slavery-inside-isis.html) and the possibility for brainwashing prospective “cubs of the Caliphate (https://www.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybeast/articles/2016/08/26/isis-kids-execute-prisoners-on-tape.html)” to carry out martyrdom operations.
As for those with a valid covenant who nevertheless consort with the people “at war” with Muslims or voluntarily fight with them or help them in any way—well, these, too, are slated for extermination. ISIS cites a Sunni jurisprudent of the Hanafi school who explains: “So the priest and wandering ascetic who mix with the people are to be killed, as are those who have fits of insanity, and the deaf and mute, and the one with a severed hand or foot, even if they did not fight. This is because they are from the same people who are at war [with the Muslims].”
In other words, this is how ISIS determines that Catholics worshipping at Notre Dame, or tourists wandering by, can be murdered with impunity even if they are monotheists. Their crime is to be in Paris and not Raqqa.
For all Muslims consigned to inhabit the realm of the kufar (i.e. anywhere ISIS does not reign), they “must be reminded that the blood of the disbelievers is halal and killing them is a form of worship to Allah, the Lord, King, and God of mankind.”
Here, too, ISIS has a rather baggy definition of viable victims; it includes “the businessman riding to work in a taxicab, the young adults (post-pubescent ‘children’) engaged in sports activities in the park, and the old man waiting in line to buy a sandwich. Indeed, even the blood of the kafir street vendor selling flowers to those passing by.” Rumiyah insets a photograph of the now-shocked 64-year-old English florist Stephen Leyland, who professes to cater to “footballers' wives” and to not know any jihadists, by way of example.
Whereas the U.S.-led coalition may strive (with mixed result) to avoid civilian casualties in favor of ensuring only armed jihadists get bombed or shot, ISIS is bound by no such humane restriction.
“There is no shar’i requirement to target soldiers and policemen nor judges and politicians, but all kufar who are not under the covenant of dhimmah are fair game. How can the disbelievers ever dream of safety and security while Muslims are anywhere in the world and while the rule of Allah is mockingly replaced by manmade monstrosities of democracy?”
Such are the ideologized terms of the so-called Islamic State’s asymmetric jihad contra mundum.
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: X on April 15, 2019, 04:29:15 PM
Quote from: ihsv on April 15, 2019, 04:06:24 PM
Notre Dame Priest Says All Precious Artefacts And Artwork Have Been Saved

A Notre Dame cathedral priest has claimed that all precious artefacts and artwork have been saved from the historic building.

In a tweet, French journalist Nicolas Delesalle cited Père Frédéric, writing: "Good news: all the works of art were saved. The treasure of the Cathedral is intact, the Crown of thorns, the Holy sacraments."

Read the Rest Here (http://www.ladbible.com/news/news-fire-at-notre-dame-cathedral-has-spread-to-rectangular-tower-20190415)
Deo gratias 
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: alaric on April 15, 2019, 04:42:16 PM
Quote from: Olduvai Oliphant on April 15, 2019, 01:21:24 PM
So, Will the news media tell us the truth about how it started?
If it happens that Muslim Terrorists set it, we will ever know the truth?

I know which way I'm betting....................................
I'm sure it was just an "accident". ::)
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: alaric on April 15, 2019, 04:52:24 PM
Quote from: Matthew on April 15, 2019, 03:40:23 PM
Even if it plays into the Jєωs hands, even if we're being played, we would still DO WELL to go ahead and start World War 3 against the Muslims. Fight them unto complete subjugation.
It's inevitable. It is going to happen eventually. If we don't, then they are going to subjugate us. Which is better?

Even if the Jєωs are the ones pulling the strings, the Muslims are still our mortal enemy.
Very true. It's either us or Islam in Europe, you will never have both. Because, both of them will never allow it.
Let's not forget the Jєωs sold out the Byzantines in 1453, but it was the Ottoman turks that did the dirty work.
And still TO THIS DAY we have a museum/mosque in what was once the most glorious church in all of Christendom in Haggia Sophia. Wouldn't the chosen and the mudslimes love to see the greatest vestige to true Catholicism in the West  go down in flames.Then they can get on with  pushing the Faith out of Europe for good, because that is the plan for the Jєω and Mohamed in the end.the time to stop it is now.
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: B USC90 on April 15, 2019, 04:55:04 PM
Chickens (plural) came home to roost
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: B USC90 on April 15, 2019, 04:58:29 PM
France abandoned the Faith, and this is God punishing France by allowing international Jєωry to use Muslim monkies to wipe out the remnants of Christendom and white people (the very people who spread the gospels throughout the globe, but have abandoned the Faith). The leaders of France and the episcopacy of Newchurch are shills of Jєω orchestrators of migration and multiculturalism. Now they pretend to be shocked that Notre Dame is burning.
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: B USC90 on April 15, 2019, 05:00:13 PM
the Novus Ordo bishops in France are putting on their sad faces, but a little later they'll be queering off with each other in sodomite orgies.
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: B USC90 on April 15, 2019, 05:00:57 PM
One good thing will come of this visual symbol (fire at Notre Dame) from God that represents enemies attacking the Church for centuries. It will galvanize ethno-nationalism more...
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: alaric on April 15, 2019, 05:15:28 PM
Quote from: B USC90 on April 15, 2019, 04:58:29 PM
France abandoned the Faith, and this is God punishing France by allowing international Jєωry to use Muslim monkies to wipe out the remnants of Christendom and white people (the very people who spread the gospels throughout the globe, but have abandoned the Faith). The leaders of France and the episcopacy of Newchurch are shills of Jєω orchestrators of migration and multiculturalism. Now they pretend to be shocked that Notre Dame is burning.
Actually the French people have been fighting back with the Yellow Vests protests.
and let's not forget Marine Lepenn lost by a small margin. the Nationalists have been pushing back hard as of late.
I see a lot of change coming there very soon.
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: Emitte Lucem Tuam on April 15, 2019, 05:58:59 PM
So Horrific and such a catastrophe...yet I absolutely believe in God’s judgement and punishment upon our sinful, sorry, human betrayal of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ and His Immaculate Mother.    Whether it be bickering and back-biting among Traditional Catholics or the adherents of the heretical destroyers of Novus Ordo “religion” invaders...God’s Will - will BE DONE.  We reaped this catastrophe upon ourselves...allowing blasphemers and heretics to steal our Holy Catholic cathedrals, churches and relics.  Time to “gird our loins” and take back our Lord’s Church.
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: Ladislaus on April 15, 2019, 06:01:33 PM
Quote from: Matthew on April 15, 2019, 03:36:43 PM
Obama just chimed in.

Interesting what he said: he focused on "rebuilding for the future" -- yeah, considering Paris's, France's, and Europe's future is going to be increasingly Muslim -- and Obama is a Muslim himself. He's probably chuckling to himself.

Yes, this way they can remodel it as a mosque.
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: Seraphina on April 15, 2019, 06:21:09 PM
This is not hard to figure out except for NWO libtard types.  The Freemasonic Jєω Archbisop hires the Muslim renovation crew.  Conversation in the attic, Muhammed:  "Oops, must have dropped that fag before I could stamp it out.  Well, we better get outta here before the petrol-based varnish goes alight."   Osama: "Yep, let's go get our pay."
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: X on April 15, 2019, 07:35:21 PM
Well, here we go:

This FOX News report says it took firefighters over 2 hours to get to the cathedral (in the heart of Paris, and one of the world's most recognizable and heavily visited sites?).

Did the Masons want it to burn to the ground?

See at 2:13

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsQwAjLJXyU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsQwAjLJXyU)
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: josefamenendez on April 15, 2019, 07:50:18 PM
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Title: Stone burning?/Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: AlligatorDicax on April 15, 2019, 08:31:38 PM
Is there someone with enough engineering knowledge among CathInfo members who could credibly explain how a tall stone building without intermediate floors can burn?  Construction in stone, concrete, or brick were advocated even in Roman times as the best architectural choices for resistance to fire.

I'm surprised that there could be enough fire-friendly material, e.g., wooden pews [#] or various fabrics/textiles (e.g., as draperies) near ground level to fuel an accidental fire so much that it could reach & ignite the horizontal timbers that support the roofs of mediæval churches like Notre Dame.

Were such a fire able to reach high enough temperatures, I suppose that resulting thermal stress could cause the stone to suffer chain reactions of structural failure, but what could've fueled it to reach such temperatures?

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Note #: Seems to me that I'd read somewhere that the pews and padded kneelers so familiar to traditional Catholics in the U.S.A. were the exception rather than an international rule for church furnishings.  And in particular, when healthy European faithful attended services at mediæval churches, they expected to stand for the duration.
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: Matthew on April 15, 2019, 09:23:27 PM
I'm suspicious that they instantly have an "investigation" and everyone -- including all media outlets -- agrees that it was accidental. No one offers any alternate possibility or opinion. Is this what passes for journalism nowadays? What a joke.

How do they know it was accidental? The fire broke out shortly after the church closed for the day. Have they taken samples of the rubble and checked for the presence of accelerants that would indicate arson? Seriously, what am I missing here?

When the fire first made the news, did Batman fly in through a window using a grappling hook, take some samples around the attic area, and then quickly exit the building again, heading straight for a lab, so that 2 hours later the media would have the results in hand to tell everyone "it was an accident"?

The fire broke out suddenly, engulfed the roof, quickly toppled the spire -- when exactly did the investigation happen? Why are they so quick to conclude "no foul play"?

And why did it take so long for the firefighters to reach the fire? Another poster mentioned it took them *2 hours* and this cathedral is literally in the center of Paris. Everything else is measured in how many kilometers from that point.

We must be suspicious WHENEVER they have a ready culprit for the 5 o'clock news -- even when that culprit is "an accident".

Investigations take time. When an investigation is ready for the prime-time MSM outlets at the same time as the event itself, or shortly thereafter, you know something is up. It is either a fαℓѕє fℓαg, and/or they're trying to hide something.

Something stinks, and it's not just the acrid smoke pouring out of Notre Dame Cathedral.

PS. For those unaware, a fαℓѕє fℓαg does NOT mean no one died, and DOES NOT mean "fake" or "hoax". Real bombs can be used, real destruction can happen, and real people can die. The nature of a fαℓѕє fℓαg is to "fly a fαℓѕє fℓαg", i.e., commit an act pretending to be someone else. For example, 9/11 was blamed on Muslims even though the Israeli Mossad and CIA were the ones who perpetrated the event. 
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: forlorn on April 15, 2019, 09:29:50 PM
It was arson and the firefighters deliberately let it burn for hours. 
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: Matthew on April 15, 2019, 09:31:49 PM
Macron is a fink too -- you know he's not a Catholic. More like the French equivalent of George Bush, with all the baggage that entails.

When 1 Billion comes in from all around the world to rebuild the Cathedral, I bet a lot of these secular Deep State jokers will skim a little off the top, to pad their already thick bank accounts.

I have a good enough memory to remember things 1 and 2 years ago. (imagine that!) The bad guy won in the last French election.
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: Cera on April 15, 2019, 09:36:25 PM
This is an email I just sent to Fox News:
Philippe Karsenty, a French elected official was rudely told to stop speaking about the FACT that French Catholic churches are attacked weekly by "host" Mr. Smith because he cannot tell the difference between facts he doesn't like and opinions he doesn't like.

“Even the nαzιs didn’t dare destroy it [Notre Dame cathedral],” Karsenty said. “And you have to know for the last year we’ve had churches desecrated each and every week all over France so of course you will hear the story of the politically correct which will tell you it is probably an accident.”

Shepard Smith immediately cut off Karsenty — “Sir. Sir! Sir! We’re not going to speculate here of the cause of something for which we don’t know.”

Shepard Smith would not let the guest speak and eventually ended the call saying, “No sir, not here, not on my watch!”

This behavior on Smith's part was disgusting and he should be forced to apologize to his guest and to all who can distinguish between fact and opinion. He should be fired if he refuses to man up.

------------------------------------------------------------------

If you want to send them an email here is the link:
http://foxnewscomments.com/contact/
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: Matthew on April 15, 2019, 09:59:59 PM
Yup. See?

It was the Muslims. They're taking over Paris. Been going on for years. Doesn't surprise me.

I hope the French rise up and start a literal Crusade and drive the Moors back where they came from. Every last one of them.

Deus Vult!



P.S.

Mohammed the false prophet is no doubt in Hell, probably in a pit of boiling excrement -- or something worse.
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: Caraffa on April 15, 2019, 10:35:11 PM
Quote from: forlorn on April 15, 2019, 09:29:50 PM
It was arson and the firefighters deliberately let it burn for hours.
I would love to know the demographics of the renovation crew as well as the firefighters. ~70% of the births in Paris are not to Europeans.  

Quote
Yes, this way they can remodel it as a mosque.

Watch Saudi money come in for the "repairs." That or Notre Dame's interior will be fully Novus Ordoized.
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: RomanCatholic1953 on April 15, 2019, 11:16:37 PM

Remote Viewer Richard Allgire 'Saw' Notre Dame
 Burn In A February Viewing Session
Exclusive To Rense.com
 4-15-19
Jeff...
 I saw it in February and said it would happen in next 90 days and would be a BIG news (https://rense.com/general96/richard-allgire-saw-notre-dame-burn.php#) event...
(https://rense.com/general96/RV4.jpeg)


(https://rense.com/general96/Notredame.jpeg)
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: B USC90 on April 16, 2019, 12:00:40 AM
Shephard Smith on Faux News is a disgusting sodomite. Of course he will perpetuate lies, whether directly or by ommission, rgarding the cause of the fire, for it's the nature of sodomites to oppose the truth. Their very grotesque lifestyle is in opposition to the Logos.
Title: Re: Stone burning?/Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: Incredulous on April 16, 2019, 12:32:34 AM
Quote from: AlligatorDicax on April 15, 2019, 08:31:38 PM
Is there someone with enough engineering knowledge among CathInfo members who could credibly explain how a tall stone building without intermediate floors can burn?  Construction in stone, concrete, or brick were advocated even in Roman times as the best architectural choices for resistance to fire.

I'm surprised that there could be enough fire-friendly material, e.g., wooden pews [#] or various fabrics/textiles (e.g., as draperies) near ground level to fuel an accidental fire so much that it could reach & ignite the horizontal timbers that support the roofs of mediæval churches like Notre Dame.

Were such a fire able to reach high enough temperatures, I suppose that resulting thermal stress could cause the stone to suffer chain reactions of structural failure, but what could've fueled it to reach such temperatures?

-------
Note #: Seems to me that I'd read somewhere that the pews and padded kneelers so familiar to traditional Catholics in the U.S.A. were the exception rather than an international rule for church furnishings.  And in particular, when healthy European faithful attended services at mediæval churches, they expected to stand for the duration.


This is a good question, but I doubt we'll ever get a truthful answer in our lifetime?

There seems to be a Mossad-style, hi-tech art to burning stone churches?

Recall on May 1st 2016, when (4) Orthodox Churches in (3) different countries burned on the same day. Link (http://www.tomatobubble.com/id1001.html)

One of those was a four alarm fire in Manhattan's Serbian Orthodox Church.

Look at the "roman candle" coming out the front stained glass window.  Those who saw it had the same questions?  

The suspicion an accelerant was used was based on insufficient fuel in the loft to make that fireball.

(https://media.nbcnewyork.com/images/620*349/cathedral+fire.jpg)
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: Incredulous on April 16, 2019, 12:54:01 AM

Wiki-judica has already been updated :jester: 



2019 Fire
Main article: Notre-Dame de Paris Fire (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notre-Dame_de_Paris_Fire)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/39/Incendie_Notre_Dame_de_Paris.jpg/170px-Incendie_Notre_Dame_de_Paris.jpg) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Incendie_Notre_Dame_de_Paris.jpg)
The building on fire on 15 April 2019

On 15 April 2019 at 18:50 local time,[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notre-Dame_de_Paris#cite_note-partofspirecollapses-1) the cathedral caught fire (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notre-Dame_de_Paris_fire), causing the collapse of the spire and the roof.[29] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notre-Dame_de_Paris#cite_note-fire1-32)[30] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notre-Dame_de_Paris#cite_note-fire2-33)[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notre-Dame_de_Paris#cite_note-partofspirecollapses-1) The extent of the damage was initially unknown as was the cause of the fire, though it was suggested that it was linked to ongoing renovation work.[30] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notre-Dame_de_Paris#cite_note-fire2-33)[29] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notre-Dame_de_Paris#cite_note-fire1-32) French President Emmanuel Macron (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmanuel_Macron) said approximately 500 firefighters (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefighter) helped to battle the fire.[31] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notre-Dame_de_Paris#cite_note-34) The main portion of the cathedral had been saved, despite the collapse of the spire and roof.[32] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notre-Dame_de_Paris#cite_note-35)
The billionaire François-Henri Pinault (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois-Henri_Pinault) announced plans to pledge €100m towards renovation.[33] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notre-Dame_de_Paris#cite_note-36)

 
Towers and the spire


Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on April 16, 2019, 03:18:44 AM
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/french-archbishop-delighted-to-participate-in-dedication-of-mosque (https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/french-archbishop-delighted-to-participate-in-dedication-of-mosque)
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on April 16, 2019, 03:29:34 AM
https://columban.org/content/commitment-justice (https://columban.org/content/commitment-justice)    

Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: Nishant Xavier on April 16, 2019, 05:07:50 AM
Terribly tragic. And in Holy Week. Time will tell if it was intentional. Thank God the relics were saved. Let's pray for France. Link (https://nypost.com/2019/04/15/photos-show-center-of-notre-dame-cathedral-miraculously-intact/)

"Rows of wooden pews and much of the nave appears to have been saved, according to the images. “Only a small part of the vault collapsed. Interior seems relatively untouched. Hallelujah!” wrote @CathedralNotre.

Still, a massive hole can be seen in the 850-year-old cathedral’s roof. The pictures also show smoke emanating from the chancel, the area around the altar.

Paris Mayor Anne Hidalgo told Le Monde there was “a big hole in the roof.”

“The altar and its cross are preserved. It’s not as bad as I feared,” she told Le Monde.

(https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2019/04/notre-dame-754.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1033)
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: cassini on April 16, 2019, 05:55:39 AM
Quote from: Olduvai Oliphant on April 15, 2019, 01:21:24 PM
So, Will the news media tell us the truth about how it started?
If it happens that Muslim Terrorists set it, we will ever know the truth?

I know which way I'm betting....................................

https://gatesofvienna.net/2019/04/the-desecration-of-the-basilica-of-saint-denis/#more-48078 (https://gatesofvienna.net/2019/04/the-desecration-of-the-basilica-of-saint-denis/#more-48078)


Ireland's bishop Martin was on RTE this morning. He said all religions and none were shocked at the burning of Notre Dame cathedral, including Muslims. Not one mention of the Catholicism the church represented, more like sad such a museum was burned. Not one mention in the news that Notre Dame was just another church on a long list of attacks on Catholic churches. They are afraid of their lives the truth would cause another French revolution.
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: X on April 16, 2019, 06:52:47 AM
Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on April 16, 2019, 03:18:44 AM
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/french-archbishop-delighted-to-participate-in-dedication-of-mosque (https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/french-archbishop-delighted-to-participate-in-dedication-of-mosque)
Heresy, blasphemy, and mortal sin all rolled into one...and par for the course for the conciliar hierarchy from whom the SSPX wants its ecuмenical (not canonical) approval.
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: Nishant Xavier on April 16, 2019, 07:04:09 AM
Well, some good news at last. Glad there is still some love for the Church in France. Hope it is rebuilt properly as a Traditional Catholic Church.

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"In what some might ascribe to a holy week miracle, the interior of Notre Dame was miraculously saved last night by the more than 400 firefighters worker to suppress a devastating fire that destroyed the roof of the 850-year-old cathedral, as well as its iconic spire. In a speech delivered shortly before midnight, French President Emmanuel Macron implored the French people to join a national fundraising campaign to repair the damage, and at least one of the country's wealthiest men has already obliged.

French billionaire François-Henri Pinault said Monday night that he and his family would donate €100 million ($113 million) to the rebuilding effort. Pinault, who is chairman of Kerring group, the luxury goods powerhouse behind Gucci, Balenciaga and Yves Saint Laurent, said the money would come from his family's investment firm, Artemis.

In a statement, the billionaire, who is married to actress Selma Hayek, said he hopes that the money will help the Catholic Church "completely rebuild Notre Dame."

"My father [François Pinault] and I have decided to release as of now from the funds of Artemis a sum of 100 million euros to participate in the effort that will be necessary for the complete reconstruction of Notre Dame," he said.

Church officials and the government of France have for years sought private funds to help pay for costly renovations at the cathedral. It was in the middle of a $12.5 million renovation financed by the French state when the fire, reportedly caused by an 'accident' in the cathedral's attic, first broke out."
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-16/french-billionaires-pledge-350-million-rebuild-notre-dame

According to an SSPX article written last year, Notre Dame has needed and been short on funds for a long time now. So it is good that these have come forward.

"Recently [written Feb 2018], the archdiocese asked the goverment to support the vital repairs on the property it owns. The government refused. It states that it already gives €2 million ($2.28 million) a year for this purpose, but this amount only covers basic upkeep. The repairs needed, including removing past restorative efforts, and replacing them with proper materials and techniques, will cost many times more that amount. And Notre Dame is crumbling more every day.

The Friends of Notre-Dame de Paris has agreed to help shoulder the burden. Michel Picaud, recently estimated the costs at a total of €100 million, noting that the work needs to be carried out within the next six to ten years. With funds not forthcoming from the goverment, and unlikely to come from the dwindling Catholic population of France, Picaud also set up a second non-profit organization in the United States last fall in order to reach its fundraising target. André Finot, a spokesman for Notre Dame cathedral believes the bulk of the money will need to come from the Americans, millions of whom know Notre Dame and who are less hesitant than the French about giving money to the church. “People don’t want to give money because of laïcité,” he says, referring to the strict secularism that infuses French law. " https://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/notre-dame-cathedral-paris-crumbling-paid-admission-inevitable-fix (https://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/notre-dame-cathedral-paris-crumbling-paid-admission-inevitable-fix)

Kudos to those Catholic Billionaires who stepped up now. Hopefully, there should be no more problem and the re-building of Our Lady's Cathedral goes ahead properly. Let's pray. Notre Dame as we know is French for Our Lady. Some people foolishly said to rebuild it as a secularist monument. That would be absolutely stupid. It should be rebuilt only as a Traditional Catholic Church in honor of Our Lady.
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: Ladislaus on April 16, 2019, 07:42:16 AM
Quote from: XavierSem on April 16, 2019, 07:04:09 AM
Well, some good news at last. Glad there is still some love for the Church in France. Hope it is rebuilt properly as a Traditional Catholic Church.

Nonsense.  Church in France practically dead and among the most corrupt in the world.  If some Frenchment are intent upon rebuilding the Cathedral it's only due to the cultural/historical significance of the church.

Most likely they'll inject a modern flare into the rebuild.
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: josefamenendez on April 16, 2019, 08:16:43 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGib1nfUD9E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGib1nfUD9E)
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: King Wenceslas on April 16, 2019, 08:58:28 AM
Well at least the Muslims will not get hold of the original when they take over in the next 50 or 100 years (if it ever happens).

Still very tragic. Sad, sad day for Christendom.
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: JezusDeKoning on April 16, 2019, 09:13:51 AM
Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on April 16, 2019, 03:18:44 AM
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/french-archbishop-delighted-to-participate-in-dedication-of-mosque (https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/french-archbishop-delighted-to-participate-in-dedication-of-mosque)
Of all the "houses of worship" to burn down, this should've been the one.
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: Matthew on April 16, 2019, 09:36:46 AM
March 2019:

Twelve (12) Catholic Churches have been DESECRATED in France in 1 week.

Notre Dame is the 2nd major church to be attacked within the last week.

Facts. Go look it up.
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: King Wenceslas on April 16, 2019, 09:45:46 AM
Quote from: josefamenendez on April 16, 2019, 08:16:43 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGib1nfUD9E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGib1nfUD9E)

Muslims were cheering. Ain't diversity great. Well I will be gone from this sad world in 15 years. I thank God for my coming death. Could not take another 30 or 40 years of this stuff.
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: Matthew on April 16, 2019, 09:49:09 AM
Quote from: JezusDeKoning on April 16, 2019, 09:13:51 AM
Of all the "houses of worship" to burn down, this should've been the one.

Yes, and you see the justice of God's punishment here?

The Archbishop (and probably the rest of the French clergy) are self-stimulating themselves into a frenzy about how compassionate they are towards immigrants (Muslims) and anxious to show respect to their heretical Islam.

So God took away one of His graces, this beautiful church -- a constant reminder of France's Catholic heritage.
Kind of scary when you consider that God is switching gears from mercy to judgment...

God will not be mocked, and neither will God tolerate His mercy to be trampled upon forever. Eventually He withdraws His grace after it has been trampled upon for so long. Then woe unto that person or country!
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: Matthew on April 16, 2019, 10:04:55 AM
Did you catch that?

Macron plans to rebuild Notre Dame, but not as it was! He wants to rebuild it "more in keeping with the modern diversity" or something to that effect.

See? He's a total fink. He's with the bad guys.

Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: josefamenendez on April 16, 2019, 10:30:21 AM
Just so we remember the "roots" of multiculturalism- Muslims are the proxy warriors of those demons whose goal is to destroy the Name Of Christ and the Christian west......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ERmOpZrKtw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ERmOpZrKtw)
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: forlorn on April 16, 2019, 10:44:59 AM
Quote from: Matthew on April 16, 2019, 10:04:55 AM
Did you catch that?

Macron plans to rebuild Notre Dame, but not as it was! He wants to rebuild it "more in keeping with the modern diversity" or something to that effect.

See? He's a total fink. He's with the bad guys.
Wait where did he say that? I know he's with the bad guys(99% of politicians are, or at least the important ones), but I didn't catch him saying that. 
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: Matthew on April 16, 2019, 10:48:27 AM
Quote from: forlorn on April 16, 2019, 10:44:59 AM
Wait where did he say that? I know he's with the bad guys(99% of politicians are, or at least the important ones), but I didn't catch him saying that.
It's at the end of the video above.
I'm not surprised that the MSM failed to pass on that tidbit. But you know that's his plan. It won't be the same when they rebuild it. It will be more ecuмenical and politically correct.

CNN also threw out a couple hints, about how the church might be "reimagined" differently the second time around.

They're trying to break it to the traditionalists, conservatives, etc. slowly and gently -- to hopefully stave off a riot and/or revolution.
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: cassini on April 16, 2019, 10:59:38 AM
Quote from: forlorn on April 16, 2019, 10:44:59 AM
Wait where did he say that? I know he's with the bad guys(99% of politicians are, or at least the important ones), but I didn't catch him saying that.

My son showed me on his phone what he said to reporters. It is gone viral as they say.
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: Maria Regina on April 16, 2019, 11:21:33 AM
Quote from: Matthew on April 16, 2019, 10:04:55 AM
Did you catch that?

Macron plans to rebuild Notre Dame, but not as it was! He wants to rebuild it "more in keeping with the modern diversity" or something to that effect.

See? He's a total fink. He's with the bad guys.
Would Macron's designs for the modernistic "church" be similar to the snake design of the Vatican hall?

(https://www.nowtheendbegins.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/hall-of-pontifical-audiences-pope-paul-v1-audience-building-reptile-snake-dragon-revelation-17-catholic-church-933x445.jpg)
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: Maria Regina on April 16, 2019, 11:41:09 AM
Spare us, O Lord.
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: Disputaciones on April 16, 2019, 01:25:59 PM
Quote from: Matthew on April 15, 2019, 03:43:41 PM
I like Fr. Girouard's take on this disaster:

https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/the-raped-cathedral-now-freed-by-fire/ (https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/the-raped-cathedral-now-freed-by-fire/)
That’s the first thing I thought about: perhaps now it will be spared of all the sacrileges and blasphemies committed in it. 
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: Incredulous on April 16, 2019, 01:32:04 PM
Quote from: josefamenendez on April 16, 2019, 10:30:21 AM
Just so we remember the "roots" of multiculturalism- Muslims are the proxy warriors of those demons whose goal is to destroy the Name Of Christ and the Christian west......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ERmOpZrKtw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ERmOpZrKtw)

Good point!

The reptilian Jєωess, Ms. Specter, warned us that the Jєωs would be driving the Muslim refugee efforts.

Just listen to the Jєωs and have a good eye to sort out their lies.  They love to brag about themselves.
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: cassini on April 16, 2019, 01:34:11 PM

850 churches in France vandalised in 2018. A friend visiting Paris this week has sent me 3 texts today telling us how Catholics over there are devastated. It has brought out the fear of God in them, including himself, and he is no trad. Can't wait to see what Francis has to say. He would hardly say it was God who preserved the relics and altar (not the table) as happened in so many other cases in history.

The reaction of the government and press is an open book. Immediately, without a single piece of evidence, they put the fire down to an accident to avoid any fear in native French population; criticism of their open imigration; or reaction from the huge population of Muslims in Paris and France. Next the money comes flowing in to rebuild it so it is a 'no harm done' incident. Everything will be fine

You couldn't make it up.
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: Disputaciones on April 16, 2019, 03:15:49 PM
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/PkcEvw5SEpNYiwI8kuFj3OSe0o0tXiFen6bTlanrt5OgvRh9fAbgKGTBLxO0Pb4-0rUxJaYAStE3IKKhX2_RWU3ckLWMNOFtdJA3dIbBnGKyk3KUaQXsVMub0hq3eNA5-RG5Z9Qh4FodXBgztn1vLeIjsgeELgN3eGf6wOEpKB6rmm9IuQq8cChUEqmGeHREnuanV-fIJh0i68oyJjZblHjh5i30frVLqvgvduMSjvNQiWpD3vst8OcDK5uLy4ScW9CdP7N_mDhbl_RMlp5lFiYB3Ik8eg-SaQpt8DY4sgDqRKNtFhXV5EaRyXy6_6cUt7Y_UKvdpSR61FBh2DjBkjWOqUfekufzYSXbvTijN5ISNqgyjJ7cjl8SDntA8GkU3aoCdbqR83O8PxxdFaTbhcoTBJ2owna9DLmZQzn4DzyfXjgrpNLUFXst9BwVVyLPUpfphQAyG-imNO-4bgJYaCOsDnu_xPw9IJ9DqbX74wggzGNcJHHUpqsnQ0OcT9WrJOZeJReBj9jMYJU2P16m1z7wv-747qHmhCOZ6_egv-weQh_G1h-fVuetmTw2Us7y7UCzv_Td13wV6QqyPQ1plS8g7Oqlc4fSUvYnZIXumlrR5aPQfCdXezBf8IWboqinVK4MR-N9wYvpgZFNQP4iUpjuSzXhjYVs2V9WKLNUdLikKB5qnSxyn1DoN799Qb3EEJgZDVXjXv_3R9zqgXoiZEge=w387-h687-no)

Can't find the source of this photo yet. The irony is that it was forwarded to me by Novus Ordo family members who apparently didn't notice the caption above (because Whatsapp reduces the size of most pictures when you open them) and they think it's simply a before/after picture.
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: josefamenendez on April 16, 2019, 03:37:35 PM
From Dr Chojnowski/ RadTrad Thomist

http://radtradthomist.chojnowski.me/2019/04/paris-will-be-burned-our-lady-of-la.html (http://radtradthomist.chojnowski.me/2019/04/paris-will-be-burned-our-lady-of-la.html)

http://radtradthomist.chojnowski.me/2019/04/macrons-muslim-miopia-if-notre-dame.html (http://radtradthomist.chojnowski.me/2019/04/macrons-muslim-miopia-if-notre-dame.html)
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: Disputaciones on April 16, 2019, 04:56:06 PM
Quote from: Incredulous on April 15, 2019, 12:38:02 PM
As prophesied, a portent of more fires to come for that city.
Where was it prophesied?
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: forlorn on April 16, 2019, 06:08:40 PM
Quote from: Disputaciones on April 16, 2019, 04:56:06 PM
Where was it prophesied?
According to this forum, literally EVERYTHING is prophesised. I've seen a number of people claim La Salette said this or St. X said that, and then upon reading the prophecies found no actual mention of their claims. And people will also peddle prophecies that have had their predictions turn out to be false too. 
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: Incredulous on April 16, 2019, 07:25:02 PM
Quote from: Disputaciones on April 16, 2019, 04:56:06 PM
Where was it prophesied?
The French mystic Marie Julie Jahenny and the German mystic Alois Irlmaier.  
The was another French (1960s) priest ( forgot his name) who saw Paris so devastated, one could walk for 60 km and not see another live person.
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: psalter on April 16, 2019, 09:01:28 PM
A sign of the cross can be seen in the fires (0.46 min mark). A heavenly sign?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcGjykjs2Kk
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: MaterDominici on April 16, 2019, 10:11:37 PM
At 2:45 in this video, there are a few scenes from the part of Notre Dame that was completely destroyed -- what was referred to as the "Notre Dame Forest".

https://www.cnn.com/videos/cnn10/2019/04/16/ten-0417.cnn (https://www.cnn.com/videos/cnn10/2019/04/16/ten-0417.cnn)

If anyone knows of any docuмentary containing more images of this area (or can find the one mentioned), I'd love to see it. At this point, it would be difficult to track down such a thing amid all of the news stories now online.
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: Lighthouse on April 16, 2019, 10:17:29 PM
Why is it that the cross in question has no Corpus, and how and when did it become that way?













Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: ihsv on April 17, 2019, 02:10:32 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on April 16, 2019, 10:17:29 PM
Why is it that the cross in question has no Corpus, and how and when did it become that way?

The High Altar was designed in 1723 by Nicolas Cousou, and is entitled "Descent from the Cross".  He's not on the cross because Our Lady is holding Him.

(https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/descent-cross-pieta-statue-nicolas-coustou%C3%A2%20in-choir-notre-dame-de-paris-france-%C3%A2%E2%82%AC-april-103556507.jpg)
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: MaterDominici on April 17, 2019, 07:38:39 PM
This is an interesting report from six months ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVK3QjkX2s0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVK3QjkX2s0)
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: Ascetik on April 17, 2019, 10:13:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgfYYMjpf1s
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: Disputaciones on April 17, 2019, 10:52:51 PM
Quote from: Ascetik on April 17, 2019, 10:13:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgfYYMjpf1s
Is that supposed to be the day of the fire?
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: Lighthouse on April 17, 2019, 11:29:33 PM
Thank you IHSV.  I only had the one picture.
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: josefamenendez on April 17, 2019, 11:55:22 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=Nj3IG-l15Yw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=Nj3IG-l15Yw)
https://youtu.be/Nj3IG-l15Yw
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: josefamenendez on April 18, 2019, 08:59:35 AM
(https://cdn3.img.sputniknews.com/images/107418/08/1074180879.jpg)Oy Vey! Rabbi Reportedly Claims Notre Dame Fire May Be DIVINE PUNISHMENT
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While the rabbi did not directly claim that what happened to the iconic Parisian cathedral was an act of the Almighty, he did not rule out such possibility either, noting a certain incident from distant past that may be related to it.
While French authorities investigate what caused the 15 April fire that ravaged the famous Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris, one rabbi has speculated that this tragedy might’ve been the work of the divine, the Haaretz newspaper reports.
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'Guess Who's Happy': Jєωιѕн Group Accuses Arabs of Celebrating Notre Dame Blaze (https://sputniknews.com/world/201904171074225844-australian-Jєωιѕн-association-notre-dame/)
According to the newspaper, Shlomo Aviner, a rabbi of a West Bank settlement who was born in France, initially refrained from directly calling the blaze a punishment from god, but admitted that it might be possible after he was asked the following question: "So it can't be said that it was punishment?
"It is possible, after all. The first big тαℓмυd burning was in Paris, there in the plaza of the Notre Dame Cathedral", the rabbi said.
Aviner also reportedly pointed out that while “there is no command to seek out Christian churches beyond Israel and burn them down. In our holy land, things are more complicated. Indeed the Rabbi of Satmar wrote that one of his reasons against immigration to Israel is that here the command to burn churches applies but it isn't exercised”.
News of the rabbi’s remarks elicited a negative response on social media, with a number of people appearing either offended or amused by his words.
The devastating fire broke out at the Notre-Dame de Paris on Monday, causing the collapse of the cathedral's spire and two-thirds of its roof.
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This is from Sputnik- 
At least we know this happened because of the Great тαℓмυd burning!!! 
(There is a command to burn Churches in Israel?)
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: Ladislaus on April 18, 2019, 09:14:13 AM
Quote from: josefamenendez on April 17, 2019, 11:55:22 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=Nj3IG-l15Yw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=Nj3IG-l15Yw)
https://youtu.be/Nj3IG-l15Yw

Obviously wearing a silver helmet.  Hey, perhaps it's the Hunchback.
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: Ladislaus on April 18, 2019, 09:14:59 AM
So rabbi claims it's punishment for a тαℓмυd-burning at the cathedral.   :laugh1:
Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: RomanCatholic1953 on April 19, 2019, 12:20:52 PM
The Andrew Carrington Hitchcock Show (975) Dr. Peter Hammond – The Real War Against Christianity Worldwide – Part 1
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In today’s show originally broadcast on April 19 2019, EuroFolkRadio’s Andrew Carrington Hitchcock interviews Dr. Peter Hammond, for a show entitled, “The Real War Against Christianity Worldwide – Part 1.”
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Title: Re: NOTRE DAME IN PARIS ON FIRE
Post by: josefamenendez on April 19, 2019, 03:16:43 PM
Steve Piesczenik talking about Notre Dame being Macron's fαℓѕє fℓαg... Interesting if you believe Steve Piesczenik.
(he is half Jєω that has been critical of Israel)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpAIwAf2F18 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpAIwAf2F18)
Title: NOTRE DAME FIRE - Lead Issue
Post by: Maria Regina on May 11, 2019, 10:04:02 PM
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The melted roof of Paris' Notre Dame Cathedral has left astronomically high lead levels in the plaza outside the famed landmark and on adjacent roads.

Paris police say lead levels from the roof are between 32 and 65 times the recommended limit by French health authorities of 0.3 grams per kilogram.

The areas closest to the cathedral are closed.

The statement Thursday said the main danger is lead dust that could coat surfaces of nearby homes and businesses. To avoid lead poisoning, authorities have recommended a good cleaning with a damp cloth, and that pregnant women and children wash hands frequently.

Hundreds of tons of lead were used in Notre Dame’s frame, as well as the church spire that burned and collapsed.

Reference: https://weather.com/science/environment/news/2019-05-09-paris-notre-dame-high-lead-levels