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Newman's resentment of authority
« on: April 12, 2010, 02:23:35 PM »
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  • PROGRESSIVIST DOCUMENT OF THE WEEK


    Newman's resentment of authority

    April 1867 had been a hot month for Newman, as we have already pointed out. He was forbidden to move to Oxford and ordered to halt his project for Catholics youth to enter a Protestant University. At the end of April, Fr. Ambrose St. John and Fr. Henry Bittleston arrived in Rome as Newman's representatives with the mission to clear his name. Newman was obsessed with the notion that Rome was misinformed about his actions and thinking.

    The two priests were received with the proverbial Vatican cordiality by Cardinals and Monsignors who listened to what they had to say. They were even granted an audience with Pius IX. Amid the amiabilities and talk, two substantial points came to surface:
    Fr. Johann Baptist Franzelin, a famous theologian, delivered a lecture to the Roman College about the errors of Newman in his Rambler article on the role of laymen in the Church (Life of Cardinal Newman, vol. II, p. 174).


    The Pope himself admonished Newman, through Fr. St. John, to leave the company of Lord John Acton and abandon his project promoting mixed education (ibid,, p. 167).
    In parallel, on May 9, 1867, during the trip of the two ambassador-priests, the Bishop of Birmingham communicated to Newman that Cardinal Barnabo, prefect of the Congregation for the Propagation of the Faith (Propaganda Fidei) - under whose jurisdiction England was at that time - had sent him the text of Newman's article in The Rambler marked with the points Newman should explain (ibid., p. 171). Until then, Newman had always claimed that no one had showed him the erroneous points in that controversial thesis on the role of laymen in the Church.

    A correspondence opened between Cardinal Barnabo and Newman, and in August Newman sent that Cardinal an extremely violent letter. These letters, although mentioned in Ward's work, are not reproduced in it.

    As a fruit of that exchange of letters with the Roman Cardinal, Newman became openly indignant against any authority in the Church. We reproduce below one letter - no addressee specified - in which Newman's intense resentment and rejection of such authority appears.

    This document is in The Life of John Henry Cardinal Newman by Wilfrid Ward, vol. II, pp. 200-202.

    http://www.traditioninaction.org/ProgressivistDoc/A_135_Nw-Revolt.html






     
     

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    « Reply #1 on: April 12, 2010, 02:24:37 PM »
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  • Their are also scanned pages from a bookt hat I couldn't pot but are in the link. Caminus, can you comment on this article? You did a marvelous job of destroying previous TIA rants on Newman.


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    « Reply #2 on: April 12, 2010, 11:00:48 PM »
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  • I saw this earlier today and was immediately suspicious.  Give me some time to study the surrounding text to find out what he is referring to.  I could turn rebutting what they write about Newman into a blog all its own!  My initial impression is that they still haven't figured out that Newman wrote many of his intricate thoughts down on paper, including internal stuggles and difficulties in various circumstances, which amounted to nothing more than passing expressions of emotion.  One wonders what we would find if the authors at TIA exposed all their difficulties, trials and confusions for the world to read?  Feeling repulsed at having to obey such and such?  Ah, why you must detest all authority!  Take strenuous effort at believing in the Real Presence?  Then you must be a dirty heretic!  

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    « Reply #3 on: April 13, 2010, 08:49:46 AM »
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  • Caminus,

    That makes much sense. I look forward to hearing more of your comments.

    Thank you,
    Andy

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    « Reply #4 on: April 13, 2010, 10:15:13 AM »
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    besides be rather pro-war, they seem to have a Pharisitical attitude when it is not themselves or their heroes..

    TIA is to me rather scummy......Caminus though will give us a great rebut....
    Proud "European American" and prouder, still, Catholic


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    « Reply #5 on: April 13, 2010, 01:49:04 PM »
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  • The life of John Henry, Cardinal Newman : based on his private journals and correspondence

    Volumes I and II are online at
    http://www.archive.org/details/a612281201warduoft
    http://www.archive.org/details/a612281202warduoft

    Under "View the book," choose the "Read Online" option.

    Vacate et videte. Psa 46:10  (45:11)
    Hank

     

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