Author Topic: New seminary in Ohio (Read 6463 times)

SJB · « **Reply #15 on:** August 24, 2011, 09:14:55 AM »

Quote from: MHT seminarian, now a priest

"...there is certainly an enormous need for priests today. But now consider my situation: I'm going to be ordained, and where am I needed? Obviously not in [my home state]. And not in Cincinnati either, although ["One Hand"] and [the Blunderer] always tell us about how overworked they are. If they needed me they would have made the very reasonable compromise that [the rector]proposed of having me in Cincinnati for two years. But they didn't want to do that because they said if I were there, they would begin new projects to have me work on, and then when I left they would have trouble continuing that work. I said I could just ease their burden for two years without them starting anything significant for me to do, or even if I did, there are other priests coming down the pipeline after me who could take my place after I left...There were several reasonable ideas that could have been worked out, but [the Blunderer] would not even discuss them with me."

"... the parish clergy are not willing to work with [newly ordained priests], so they have nowhere to go...I think we do not say Mass in enough places; we need more to do, more people, and more money. [The rector] has known about this problem for a long while now, but nothing has really been done. It also makes a bad impression on the laypeople too, because they see a new priest get ordained, and he ends up staying at the seminary to teach instead of working in a parish as they expected. And if they knew all the politics that went into my staying at the seminary, that bad impression would be infinitely worse."

"one Hand" = Dolan
"blunderer" = Cekada
"the rector" = Sanborn

SJB · « **Reply #16 on:** August 24, 2011, 09:22:45 AM »

Quote from: TKGS

Quote from: Gregory I
SGG has a better relationship with CMRI than SSPV. I mean, Bp. Pivarunas consecrated Bp. Dolan! How could they not be on good terms?

It is my understanding that Bishop Pivarunas consecrated Bishop Dolan with certain agreements which Bishop Dolan subsequently broke. Thus, they are no longer on very "good terms" with each other.

If this is incorrect, I would indeed like to hear the correct information.

It is correct. Dolan set out immediately to set up his own "Mexican apostolate" rather than assist as agreed. He even invited himself to the consecration of Bishop Martin Davila, then published photographs in his SGG newsletter with the photo cropped to exclude Bp. Pivarunas, who was the consecrator.

Sigismund · « **Reply #17 on:** August 24, 2011, 06:01:46 PM »

One hand??

SJB · « **Reply #18 on:** August 26, 2011, 09:27:43 PM »

Quote from: Sigismund

One hand??

Quote from: Pistrinaliturgica.blogspot.com

At "One-Hand's" ordination to the priesthood, Archbishop Lefebvre imposed only one hand, not both hands. Pope Pius XII had decreed, in the 1947 Apostolic Constitution Sacramentum Ordinis, that the matter of the sacrament consists in the first imposition of the bishop’s hands. In a letter dated September 21, 1990, nine priests then belonging the Society of St. Pius V, including the rector, cautioned Wee Dan as follows (emphasis in red ours):

Quote from: SSPV priests
In the course of the research which was being done in reference to ordinations and episcopal consecration, it was discovered that sacerdotal ordinations done with one hand are dubious…

Since your ordination was done with one hand, we must hold your ordination to be dubious, unless evidence can be brought forth that the one-handed ordination is certainly valid.

We therefore urge you ad cautelam to stop saying Mass, hearing confessions and administering the sacrament of Extreme Unction until this problem is resolved.

Please understand that our position in this matter is based purely on the dictates of Moral Theology, and has absolutely nothing to do with the disputes which exist between us.

Soon, in several rectories, the clergy began to use the moniker "One-Hand" Dan as an expression of derision, contempt, and disesteem. The nickname has stuck until this very day. It may all be harmless fun for some, but there do remain some serious considerations behind all the smirking ridicule and whispering.

In closing their 1990 letter, the signatories advised “One Hand” to do further research and report to them. The Blunderer did the research and issued an apologia, which is available here. While many have been satisfied with the findings, the Reader notes that there are several of the usual problems with the Blunderer’s understanding of Latin and his translations therefrom.

Sigismund · « **Reply #19 on:** August 26, 2011, 09:48:48 PM »

Why in the world would Archbishop Lefevbre do that?!?

Hobbledehoy · « **Reply #20 on:** August 26, 2011, 09:58:11 PM »

Quote from: Sigismund

Why in the world would Archbishop Lefevbre do that?!?

God writes straight with crooked lines, and sometimes it seems He likes to delight us with little "inside jokes" like these.

The late Archbishop must have done it unintentionally, but perhaps his Angel Guardians allowed it for a reason...

Hobbledehoy · « **Reply #21 on:** August 30, 2011, 06:50:41 PM »

Quote from: I had

I do not see how Bp. Pivarunas would not welcome this new development...

Boy was I wrong!

Oh well, I shouldn't have been surprised --- consult the following threads in order to attain to a proper contextualization of certain unfortunate developments:

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Sedevacantists-and-SSPX-Seminaries

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Schism

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/My-Position-on-SGG-VoV-site-etc

[Moderators: you may want to move this thread over to the Crisis in the Church subforum, so that the forum members who have no interest in these affairs be spared the annoyance concomittant with these discussions.]

Lighthouse · « **Reply #22 on:** August 30, 2011, 09:57:48 PM »

HH:

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Boy was I wrong!

Oh well, I shouldn't have been surprised --- consult the following threads in order to attain to a proper contextualization of certain unfortunate developments:

Boy, O, Boy, O, Boy indeed. I'm going to be more transparent in this post than I usually am. I find myself uncomfortable in trying to sort out behavior that is taking place among my betters and more qualified. But this is pretty much public domain and appears to be rather shocking:

Father R. at SAG announces he will be starting his own seminary:

Last week's bulletin

Bishop P. fires back an open letter reply from CMRI:

From CMRI.

An open letter response from Fr. R:

Round 3

Lighthouse · « **Reply #23 on:** August 30, 2011, 10:08:24 PM »

After reading my own citations again, I'm gaining a little more understanding, so I won't comment until I have time to creak my aging mental apparatus into gear.

:geezer:

Lighthouse · « **Reply #24 on:** August 30, 2011, 10:33:20 PM »

I see this discussion has flared up over at the ""Crisis..." heading. So that would probably be the best place to continue it.