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« on: August 21, 2011, 06:56:09 PM »
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  • I was wondering what kind of positive thoughts folks have on the new seminary Fr. Ramolla announced he was starting.  

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    « Reply #1 on: August 21, 2011, 09:48:23 PM »
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  • I think Father Ramolla has spelled out the positives quite adequately in his bulletin.  It is available online at:  
    http://www.albertthegreat.org/bulletins/SAG%20Bulletin%2008-21-11.pdf

    I'd like to point out that I am not a parishioner of Saint Albert the Great, I have never attended Mass there, nor do I know Father Ramolla at all.  But I think this is a worthwhile endeavor.  I wish the traditional Bishops would work together rather than against each other.  None of them have ordinary jurisdiction over a See and a priest seeking ordination from one bishop is not an affront to others.

    I may very well become a financial supporter of this seminary even as I continue my meager support to the CMRI seminary and the SSPX seminary (though the latter is entirely dependent upon the future actions of the SSPX).


    An Announcement from Father Ramolla

    My dear people of St. Albert the Great Church:

    As many of you will no doubt remember, my dismissal from St. Gertrude the Great Church and School in 2009 followed several months of intense effort to reform the spirit of those institutions, to restore in them the spirit of charity and zeal for souls whose lack had been the cause of so much heartache and anxiety on the part of the faithful. The shocking events that followed our efforts to promote the spirit of the Divine Good Shepherd at St. Gertrude’s, however, served to eclipse somewhat the similar difficulties that were being experienced at the same time by the seminarians of Most Holy Trinity Seminary in Brooksville, Florida.

    At a time when priests are in such demand throughout a world that seems to be on the high road to hell, seminarians were being driven from Most Holy Trinity in alarming numbers without fulfilling the vocation that brought them there. Interviews with these seminarians, and even those who chose to stay, raised an even more alarming picture of ill treatment, abuse of authority, and a startling lack of spiritual and theological formation. This confirmed for me my own severe misgivings about the seminary we were all being encouraged to support, and as the stories not only continued after my dismissal, but became actually even worse, I resolved that never could St. Albert’s ever entrust a precious vocation to the priesthood to that house of shame. The seed was thus planted in my head that the need would probably arise for a new seminary to be one day established.

    One of the clearest messages that Father Hall and myself have tried to convey to you, my dear faithful of St. Albert’s, is the need for us to be willing to cooperate with Divine Providence. When the Finger of God points the way forward, we are compelled by something greater than “mere” trust in God, the spiritual welfare of our people, or even the overriding desire to save our souls. This compulsion to serve God by following his Holy Will is emphatically the single most important reason for our existence, whether as a parish, as a priest, or as any creature of God. We were put here in this world for the sole reason of knowing, loving and serving God. And we serve God by doing His Divine Will.

    And thus it came to pass that during this very summer, Divine Providence clearly showed us here at St. Albert’s what was to be our next step. In the month of June I received a visit from a young man from Oklahoma. At the time it didn’t seem to be a very unusual visit, just one more young man who had been studying for the priesthood, and who had been sent home for insufficient reasons. A man who yearned to be a priest, and who had now made the long trip to St. Albert’s to see if I could help him fulfill his calling to the sacred priesthood. After thoughtful consideration, it was clear to me that I had a responsibility before God to help this young seminarian, and so I looked into the possibility of establishing some kind of curriculum in order to provide him with adequate training and spiritual formation. The driving force behind this decision was to en-sure that not one more vocation to the holy priesthood should be lost.

    Without any encouragement on my part, word spread that Father Ramolla was “opening a seminary”, and indeed, you your-selves may have heard rumors to this effect over the last few months. This perception, however exaggerated in nature, led rapidly to other inquiries arriving on our doorstep. A second American seminarian now applied to join us after leaving his current house of formation in Omaha, Nebraska. When word reached the authorities there, they acted very quickly to anticipate any other potential defections by dismissing two other seminarians. These were the two seminarians you have often seen here, both last Christmas and again during these last few months of their summer break, and who are now back home in Europe. With the number of orphaned seminarians already raised to four (with more inquiries still coming in), and with a feeling of heavy responsibility to-wards them and their vocations, it was now crystal clear that the only morally correct way forward was to establish a house of formation for the purpose of training young men for the priesthood.

    And so, I can announce to you officially, my dear faithful, the launching within our parish of St. Athanasius Seminary, the doors of which, God willing, will open on September 15, Feast of the Seven Sorrows of our Blessed Mother.

    Benefits of having a seminary at St. Albert’s

    Why do we want to open a seminary anyway? As I have explained, our over-riding aim is to serve God by fulfilling his holy Will. Reflect up-on the following: that vocations come from God, who would not give a vocation without a means of fulfilling it. We have been asked for help by young men who believe they do have a vocation but have no other means of fulfilling it. Is it not therefore our duty to cooperate with God’s will by providing the means for these men to fulfill their vocation?

    The addition of a small seminary to our parish, not to mention the presence and edifying lifestyle of our seminarians, should have a very positive and beneficial effect, especially on our young children, who will have role models parents can safely use. In addition to their studies, the seminarians will be expected to play a significant role in our parish life, teaching catechism, forming altar servers, helping out with youth activities, and generally providing an important contribution to our operations, spiritual and otherwise. This will be an integral part of their seminary training, reinforcing in them continually the notion that the life of a priest is a life of service to his parishioners.

    A seminary will help us secure the future of St. Albert the Great and its satellite missions by providing us with future priests, ready to service our chapels and establish new ones as the need arises. Even the short-term benefits are obvious here, as we are a growing parish with only one resident priest at the moment. My pastoral duties are quite overwhelm-ing at times, and it is obvious that we need more help in order to continue to grow and flourish at the same rate.

    One other unseen yet valuable benefit to be derived from this seminary in our midst would be the impact we hope to have eventually on the traditional Catholic world in general. By providing it with well-educated, morally sound, and above all holy priests, we hope to repair some of the damage done to souls, especially those of the young, wrought on them by certain badly formed clergy in the past. It will always be our firm intention to learn the lessons from this past, and to take all steps necessary never to repeat any of the shameful history that has so sadly tainted the response of God’s people to the modernist infiltration of the Church and the general apostasy that followed.
     
    Financial Support of the Seminary

    St. Athanasius Seminary will be support-ed financially from three primary sources. The first of course is tuition, and seminarians whose families can afford to support them will be required to pay their way. Secondly, we shall be actively seeking the support of a more worldwide base, which would have of course a far more vested interest in the success of our seminary than in our parish alone. This source of funding is expected to increase especially after we begin to send out new priests to bring the Mass and sacraments to people everywhere. Finally, we envisage a system of sponsorship whereby a family can “adopt” a particular seminarian, helping financially with his tuition, as well as providing moral and spiritual support by prayer and other means. This means of support is of course open to all our parishioners as a way of helping our new seminary. We are very reluctant to place new financial bur-dens on the parish, especially before we have firmed up our purchase of our property, and your participation in the sponsorship program or any financial support you give to the seminary is to be entirely voluntary. For now, our faculty will also be working on a volunteer basis, and we will be making every effort to keep down all expenses to a minimum.

    Finally, I would like to ask for your prayers for the success of this important undertaking. It is not a responsibility we have assumed lightly, and I am convinced that it will be only with the help of your generous and fervent prayers that it will succeed. The plight of our four seminarians is in your hands. I am reminded of another seminarian almost two centuries ago, a seminarian not well endowed with brains or educationally gifted. And yet this young man, Jean Marie Vianney, managed somehow not only to get through seminary in spite of all obstacles, but to become the only parish priest ever canonized, and indeed the Patron Saint of parish priests everywhere. Was it perhaps for this reason that the only saint to whose tomb both Father Hall and myself were brought by Divine Providence since our respective ordinations is that of the holy Curé of Ars?

    Yes, everything happens for a reason, my dear faithful, and I hope you will see clearly the reasons for this next step in the life of our parish. Questions will no doubt occur to you in the coming days, and I invite you to address them to me. Meanwhile, I ask you again to pray to St. John Vianney, St. Athanasius, and the Sorrowful Virgin to send us priests, to send us holy priests, and to send us many holy priests.


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    « Reply #2 on: August 21, 2011, 09:50:06 PM »
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  • Does Fr. Ramolla have a bishop?
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    « Reply #3 on: August 21, 2011, 10:03:17 PM »
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  • Excellent!

    This is exceeding good news!

    The more options for young men who are called to the Sacred Priesthood the better! This is especially true for the sedevacantists, whose clerical groups cannot "monopolize" Seminary education in any way if they wish to remain consistent with their theological and apologetical positions.

    I too may become a benefactor, if my circumstances allow it.

    Sigismund, Bishop Petko, who ordained Rev. Fr. Hall to the Sacred Priesthood, is the Bishop who shall administer the Sacrament of Confirmation to the faithful at St. Albert the Great Chapel. I presume he shall preside over the Seminary.

    May God vouchsafe every single grace and blessing to this new Seminary, and may its pupils and faculty shine forth in sacred learning, good works and especially in the humility and self-abnegation that are indispensable for the Priests of our age.



    Please ignore all that I have written regarding sedevacantism.

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    « Reply #4 on: August 21, 2011, 10:05:45 PM »
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    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir


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    « Reply #5 on: August 22, 2011, 12:21:30 PM »
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  • Anybody no who some of the staff will be?  Hopefully he will have some help from other clergy in this regard.

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    « Reply #6 on: August 22, 2011, 02:27:17 PM »
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  • Well, the announcement says the staff will be made of volunteers in the beginning.  I do not understand how one could insure a valid formation of priests from such a modest undertaking.

    And it looks like the initial candidates would come in with some shadow of rejection on their history.  I'm not sure that it would be my business or your business as to what was involved, but surely, it is SOMEBODY'S business.

    The traditional stance does not need additional pockets of cronyism and power manipulation.  Not saying that would happen, but a valid concern.  We are faced with the authority problem.  Again.


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    « Reply #7 on: August 22, 2011, 02:53:45 PM »
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    Well, the announcement says the staff will be made of volunteers in the beginning.  I do not understand how one could insure a valid formation of priests from such a modest undertaking.

    And it looks like the initial candidates would come in with some shadow of rejection on their history.  I'm not sure that it would be my business or your business as to what was involved, but surely, it is SOMEBODY'S business.

    The traditional stance does not need additional pockets of cronyism and power manipulation.  Not saying that would happen, but a valid concern.  We are faced with the authority problem.  Again.



    But, indeed, we must ask ourselves. If Joe Catholic was rejected by Seminary A, and went to Seminary B, who's to say which seminary's rector is in tune with God's objective will?

    Either seminary could be tainted by human concerns, etc. and the rector objectively "not in line with" God's will could easily be the larger, more established one OR the smaller, newer upstart.
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    « Reply #8 on: August 22, 2011, 03:28:19 PM »
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  • I agree with you 100%. It's also possible that BOTH could be good or bad. It's just that there have been so many wrong turns. I'm only pointing out dangers and the closed nature of the system.

    I've heard nothing but good about this particular organization.  I sure hope it works out.

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    « Reply #9 on: August 22, 2011, 08:40:03 PM »
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  • From my non-sede perspective, it seems that the CMRI has its act together more than any other sede group.  They have their own seminary, correct?  Are they willing to train non-CMRI seminarians?  If so, why not just go there?
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    « Reply #10 on: August 22, 2011, 09:40:47 PM »
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  • Quote from: Sigismund
    From my non-sede perspective, it seems that the CMRI has its act together more than any other sede group.  They have their own seminary, correct?  Are they willing to train non-CMRI seminarians?


    Mater Dei does train non-CMRI Seminarians, which they call "secular" in contradistinction those young men who aspire to both Religion and Holy Orders. The secular Seminarians do not vow obedience to the Superior-General of the CMRI and therefore he does not provide for their necessities: they are on their own in the practical order of things, though they work with the CMRI under the auspices of said Superior-General.

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    If so, why not just go there?


    It does not necessarily follow that just because two individuals or groups of individuals, clerical or lay, subscribe to the theological opinion known as sedevacantism, they agree on everything or share the same goals in the practical order. This you may have seen by the differences in nuance and perspective that the sedevacantists here at CathInfo have manifested: for example, Myrna, Raoul and I may disagree on various things and may have different perspectives regarding the current crises of the Church and its future prospects, though we all agree that the Apostolic See is presently vacant and we all agree that the CMRI is the one of the best sedevacantist organizations in the United States at the present moment.

    The reason for a new Seminary is because there are some young men out there who prefer to be trained in theological orientations that differ from those of Mater Dei Seminary. For example, in the courses of Ascetic and Mystical Theology, The Spiritual Life of the Jesuit Rev. Fr. Tanquerey is the textbook studied at Mater Dei Seminary. Those unfamiliar with theological treatises may not understand that there are subtle but crucial differences between schools of theology, influenced by the spirit and history of the respective Religious Orders who trained the theologians. At Brooksville, in the courses of Ascetic and Mystical Theology, the two volumes of The Three Ages of the Interior Life by Rev. Garrigou-Lagrange are supposedly studied as textbooks (but consult Pristina about that). These two example show how two institutions can adopt different pedagogical orientations when it comes to theological formation: in the former case it is the Jesuit spirit that dominates, and in the latter there is the Dominican spirit that dominates. Not to say that one is necessarily better than the other, but a young man ought to have a choice whether he wishes to be trained along Jesuit lines or Dominican lines (at least when it comes to Ascetic and Mystical Theology; I have no solid information about the other fields of study at Mater Dei).

    My understanding is that the new Seminary shall be founded upon strictly Dominican standards, since Rev. Fr. Ramolla did dedicate his Chapel in honor of the great Dominican Doctor and teacher of the Angelic Doctor, St. Albert the Great.

    Even before the present day crises, Seminaries differed from one another, especially those ran by various Congregations and Religious Orders.

    There is also one crucial (and I believe paramount) difference between Mater Dei Seminary and the new Seminary in Ohio: the former adheres to the most recent liturgical reforms of Pope Pius XII whilst the latter will preserve the Roman Rite that was untouched by the recent decrees of the Congregation of Sacred Rites. Although Bp. Pivarunas is rather tolerant of differences of thought regarding this issue, and does not mind training future clerics who will go on to offer Holy Mass and recite the Canonical Hours according to the unreformed rubrics, there is yet a certain divisiveness that is necessarily consequent upon the differences of perspective regarding this question.

    What was ultimately behind the foundation of the new Seminary is the fact that those young men who were bullied or emotionally abused and chased away (or fled) from the "Pest-house" at Brooksville need another Seminary precisely because of the above-mentioned differences of perspective when it comes to the liturgical question.

    Besides, Bp. Pivarunas and the other CMRI Fathers are overwhelmingly overextended: seriously, I do not know how the CMRI does what it does without having their Priests bi-locate!. A new Seminary would enable them to matriculate young men who specifically wish to become members of the CMRI or be substantially affiliated therewith, and have aspirant Seminarians with different goals go elsewhere. I do not see how Bp. Pivarunas would not welcome this new development...

    Post-script:

    Funny things happen sometimes: Rev. Father Kevin Vaillancourt has Bp. Dolan to administer the Sacrament of Confirmation to the faithful of his Chapel, even though the former is a very zealous apologist and defender of the liturgical reforms of Pope Pius XII, whilst the latter has essentially declared them anathema. What has bridged such a huge chasm? Many have speculated that their "distaste" (for lack of a better or more accurate term) of Mount St. Michael's and the CMRI is the common denominator.

    I do not think the new Seminary came about because of some agenda against the CMRI, which is something I cannot certainly say for whatever is at Brooksville...
    Please ignore all that I have written regarding sedevacantism.


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    « Reply #11 on: August 22, 2011, 10:45:37 PM »
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  • SGG has a better relationship with CMRI than SSPV. I mean, Bp. Pivarunas consecrated Bp. Dolan! How could they not be on good terms?
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    « Reply #12 on: August 23, 2011, 06:42:08 PM »
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  • Well, if the CMRI and its bishop are experiencing distaste from Dolan and Co., it can only speak well of them.
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    « Reply #13 on: August 23, 2011, 06:42:38 PM »
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  • It can only speak well of the CMRI, I mean.
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    « Reply #14 on: August 23, 2011, 08:47:08 PM »
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  • Quote from: Gregory I
    SGG has a better relationship with CMRI than SSPV. I mean, Bp. Pivarunas consecrated Bp. Dolan! How could they not be on good terms?


    It is my understanding that Bishop Pivarunas consecrated Bishop Dolan with certain agreements which Bishop Dolan subsequently broke.  Thus, they are no longer on very "good terms" with each other.  

    If this is incorrect, I would indeed like to hear the correct information.

     

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