Author Topic: America Needs Fatima/TFP (Read 16349 times)

Ladislaus · « **Reply #40 on:** May 29, 2014, 05:50:07 AM »

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Ladislaus, friend here. No need to throw ad hominems at me.

I apologize for that, pft. I get upset because you were spreading the usual calumnies about TFP without any real first-hand experience.

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Also, you read some of their agendas, they're neo-cons, and it's actually sickening to me some of the stupidity of the stuff they put out. Here are some examples.

I know many TFP members quite well. They are NOT neo-cons. In fact, they are monarchists if anything. They have close ties with the deposed Brazilian monarchy. They engage in these public protests for a variety of reasons:

1) they're often met with hostility at the protests, and they feel that it builds character ... if you recall they are imbued with this "warrior" mentality

2) they like to engage in public events in order to spread awareness about the existence of the group

They are actually monarchists and medievalists ... and have no illusions about the Masonic origins of the United States and its form of government, but despite that feel a duty of patriotism.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #41 on:** May 29, 2014, 06:03:57 AM »

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http://www.tfp.org/current-campaigns/2001/the-american-tfp-statement-decries-qcowardly-acts-of-terrorismq.html

Come on, :stare: I know enough about them to know what they're about. I'm not "being stupid."

No, you really don't know enough about them. I can assure you that every single member of TFP that I've ever met believes that 9/11 was an inside job. They're caught in a bit of a dilemma, and you'll find this with a lot of Traditional groups. They try to be "good citizens" and do their "civic duty" and want to encourage and instill a sense of "patriotism" (which is, taken in isolation, a virtue after all), and yet they're conflicted by the fact that our current government is corrupt. I know many Traditional priests who display the Masonic U.S. flag inside the Catholic sanctuary. I'll bet that Father Bolduc was one of those as well.

You had the same debate raging at the SSPX seminary in Winona. You had a large group of French monarchists who were constantly battling with the American-born seminarians. You had people with opinions that ranged from wanting to denounce the entire American government as illegitimate to those who wanted to practically canonize the "Founding Fathers".

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #42 on:** May 29, 2014, 10:14:07 AM »

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http://www.tfp.org/current-campaigns/2001/the-american-tfp-statement-decries-qcowardly-acts-of-terrorismq.html

Come on, :stare: I know enough about them to know what they're about. I'm not "being stupid."

No, you really don't know enough about them. I can assure you that every single member of TFP that I've ever met believes that 9/11 was an inside job. They're caught in a bit of a dilemma, and you'll find this with a lot of Traditional groups. They try to be "good citizens" and do their "civic duty" and want to encourage and instill a sense of "patriotism" (which is, taken in isolation, a virtue after all), and yet they're conflicted by the fact that our current government is corrupt. I know many Traditional priests who display the Masonic U.S. flag inside the Catholic sanctuary. I'll bet that Father Bolduc was one of those as well.

You had the same debate raging at the SSPX seminary in Winona. You had a large group of French monarchists who were constantly battling with the American-born seminarians. You had people with opinions that ranged from wanting to denounce the entire American government as illegitimate to those who wanted to practically canonize the "Founding Fathers".

Yes, because Father Bolduc was a military veteran, and was actually a translator for Elvis in Germany. He believed the Islam thing, too, but then we have a prominent JBSer (and they also believe this stuff, too) that is one of the "debunkers" at our church as well.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #43 on:** May 29, 2014, 01:02:29 PM »

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Yes, because Father Bolduc was a military veteran, and was actually a translator for Elvis in Germany. He believed the Islam thing, too, but then we have a prominent JBSer (and they also believe this stuff, too) that is one of the "debunkers" at our church as well.

And my only point there was that this kindof thing doesn't disqualify someone from being a good Catholic. You had used this as a way of attacking TFP.