[Samuel]

Samuel,

You are wasting my time and the time of the poor person who started this thread.

Re: forbidding; Well then you should choose your words more carefully in future. If you want to attack my person go ahead and say it, rather than cloaking it in falsities.

Extreme red light position? So there is a regular red light position?

Re: "before", "after" and all that other nonsense. They are arbitrary distinctions. What you are saying in effect means that we can attend the Novus Ordo because the Church hasn't forbidden that specifically. I mean, just think about the words coming out of your mouth.

Heretics will come up with useless distinctions and say that their specific error was not condemned. It is a classic tactic used by them. I am not of course saying you are a heretic, but you are unwittingly using the tactics of one, because of your error on this point.

The Church has already pronounced on modernism, and already on attending protestant services. END OF STORY.

Sunny, you are full of error, but since you are too emotional and too easily offended to take a little correction, I will just have to leave you in your ignorance.

[kiwiboy]

Nope, not emotional at all. It's just the truth.