[Smedley Butler]

This is not good advice to give to the OP, i.e. it's best to stay home and avoid the SSPX because there is no Resistance chapel near.

We are under a most serious obligation to attend the Holy Sacrifice (not the NOM - we are obligated to avoid the NOM). It is the third of the Ten Commandments and it is Precept of the Church. If one can make it to the Holy Sacrifice on Sundays and Holy Days then one must go, it is our duty and we are under a most serious obligation to attend - and we must go or commit a mortal sin. This is the teaching of the Church, this is the Third Commandment and Precept of the Church. The SSPX has valid priests and they offer the Holy Sacrifice that the Church obligated us to attend - if there is an SSPX Mass within a hundred miles or so and you can make it, then you MUST go.

In the Old Testament, sacrifice to God was one of God's most necessary requirements, and now the sacrificial Lamb is Our Lord, really and physically present under the appearance of bread and wine, it still remains one of God's most necessary requirements in the New Testament because of what it is - and it is for that reason that to miss it when it's readily available to us is a mortal sin.  

There are many confused souls in this crisis who do not understand the seriousness of the obligation we are under to assist at the Holy Sacrifice every Sunday and Holy day of obligation. They confuse the NOM with the Holy Sacrifice and often end up at a NOM when they should stay home - but they must not confuse that with the SSPX's Holy Sacrifice, which we are obligated to attend if we can get to it under pain of mortal sin.  

There are reasons to miss Mass, but missing it for the reason given above is most certainly not one of them.  

Agreed. Missing Mass without grave reason is a mortal sin.

[MaterDominici]

This is not good advice to give to the OP, i.e. it's best to stay home and avoid the SSPX because there is no Resistance chapel near.

We are under a most serious obligation to attend the Holy Sacrifice (not the NOM - we are obligated to avoid the NOM). It is the third of the Ten Commandments and it is Precept of the Church. If one can make it to the Holy Sacrifice on Sundays and Holy Days then one must go, it is our duty and we are under a most serious obligation to attend - and we must go or commit a mortal sin. This is the teaching of the Church, this is the Third Commandment and Precept of the Church. The SSPX has valid priests and they offer the Holy Sacrifice that the Church obligated us to attend - if there is an SSPX Mass within a hundred miles or so and you can make it, then you MUST go.

In the Old Testament, sacrifice to God was one of God's most necessary requirements, and now the sacrificial Lamb is Our Lord, really and physically present under the appearance of bread and wine, it still remains one of God's most necessary requirements in the New Testament because of what it is - and it is for that reason that to miss it when it's readily available to us is a mortal sin.  

There are many confused souls in this crisis who do not understand the seriousness of the obligation we are under to assist at the Holy Sacrifice every Sunday and Holy day of obligation. They confuse the NOM with the Holy Sacrifice and often end up at a NOM when they should stay home - but they must not confuse that with the SSPX's Holy Sacrifice, which we are obligated to attend if we can get to it under pain of mortal sin.  

There are reasons to miss Mass, but missing it for the reason given above is most certainly not one of them.  

It's a nice opinion, but I don't see why you left out FSSP and indult Tridentine Masses.

[Matthew]

This is not good advice to give to the OP, i.e. it's best to stay home and avoid the SSPX because there is no Resistance chapel near.

We are under a most serious obligation to attend the Holy Sacrifice (not the NOM - we are obligated to avoid the NOM). It is the third of the Ten Commandments and it is Precept of the Church. If one can make it to the Holy Sacrifice on Sundays and Holy Days then one must go, it is our duty and we are under a most serious obligation to attend - and we must go or commit a mortal sin. This is the teaching of the Church, this is the Third Commandment and Precept of the Church. The SSPX has valid priests and they offer the Holy Sacrifice that the Church obligated us to attend - if there is an SSPX Mass within a hundred miles or so and you can make it, then you MUST go.

In the Old Testament, sacrifice to God was one of God's most necessary requirements, and now the sacrificial Lamb is Our Lord, really and physically present under the appearance of bread and wine, it still remains one of God's most necessary requirements in the New Testament because of what it is - and it is for that reason that to miss it when it's readily available to us is a mortal sin.  

There are many confused souls in this crisis who do not understand the seriousness of the obligation we are under to assist at the Holy Sacrifice every Sunday and Holy day of obligation. They confuse the NOM with the Holy Sacrifice and often end up at a NOM when they should stay home - but they must not confuse that with the SSPX's Holy Sacrifice, which we are obligated to attend if we can get to it under pain of mortal sin.  

There are reasons to miss Mass, but missing it for the reason given above is most certainly not one of them.  

That is your opinion. There are many other opinions, equally or even more well-founded in Catholic Doctrine than yours.

100 miles? Who decided that? You sound like you're just making stuff up. You can't just pontificate from your armchair like some kind of armchair pope. In the Crisis in the Church, many things fall under "prudence" and "one's own discretion" with the primary goal of keeping the Faith and pleasing God.

I appreciate your love of the Holy Mass, but it is a fact that the SSPX has preyed on the beliefs of people like you ("sacraments at any cost") to control, frighten, and manipulate the Faithful.
Why do you think so many Trad Catholics sink so low as to go tattling to their SSPX priest, spy on fellow parishioners, or stay quiet when they shouldn't (even when staying quiet is sinful?) It's a fear that they won't be able to go to Mass if the SSPX priest gets on their bad side, or banishes them from the chapel.

An exaggerated doctrine, such as the one you put forth here, is the reason why so many SSPX Catholics are going along with the "changes in the SSPX" which are analogous to the "changes in the Church" after Vatican II.

After all, a softening up to Vatican II is nothing other than a liberalization. And that's not something to sneeze at, in terms of danger to the Faith.

If we are permitted to leave our OFFICIAL PARISH of the Catholic Church, headquartered in Rome, because of "danger to the Faith", then we can most certainly abstain from our local SSPX chapel because of "danger to the Faith". In both cases, one is permitted to abstain to preserve one's Faith, regardless of the presence/absence of other Mass options.

If you want to talk about Trads committing mortal sin by missing Mass on Sunday (after 1970), then the "line in the sand" would have to be missing Mass at your parish church -- not your SSPX chapel. Once you leave the official Church structure and go into the realm of survival, lifeboats, and epikeia, then there's a lot more grey area than you care to admit.

As a Trad, I believe that we have an obligation to keep the Faith, and so we are obligated to abstain from the Novus Ordo and any other Mass which places our Faith in danger.

[Matthew]

Stubborn (and I know it's not just you, but you're the one who brought it up in this thread)

It's like your idea of Tradition was formed in 1972 and then was set in stone like dried concrete. You are comfortable with the idea that the official Catholic Church (the Conciliar Church) can fail, its priests/bishops/pope are all bad guys, and we must abstain from it even if we have no other Mass options.

But you aren't able to update your thinking to include the SSPX in that same "boogeyman" or "bad guy" category. Why not? If the official Church founded by Christ, and the Rock of Peter can be so toxic to the Faith that we are allowed -- even commanded -- to abstain from it, even staying at home if we have no other options, why can't we believe that the SSPX -- a mere branch of that tree -- can become toxic as well?

Like I said above, I'm more objective than that. I have no particular animus or hatred for the priests and bishops in the Conciliar Church. I avoid them all 100%, yes, but I will just as quickly avoid Fr. Wegner who tries to convince me to lower my guard to Vatican II. I'm not going to give him some kind of "pass" just because he's SSPX, and I'm not going to ignore poison just because "his Mass is valid".

"The sacraments at all costs" is how various priests and bishops (and organizations of the same) set themselves up as tyrants over the Trad faithful. They act like they are the Church itself, whereas they are only a lifeboat, a small part of the Church.

There is no strict obligation for Traditional Catholics to enter this or that lifeboat. Judgment on the "safety" or "suitability" of a given lifeboat is left up to the individual's conscience.

[Matthew]

Long story short, all the "conservatives", "Indulters", and "Latin Mass Catholics" are wrong -- and are not considered Traditional Catholics -- because they think the Crisis in the Church is about the Mass.

WRONG.

It's about THE FAITH. The Mass just happens to be the centerpiece of the Catholic Faith. The Novus Ordo Mass is so bad because the new faith it represents, Conciliarism and Modernism, is so bad.

The Novus Ordo Mass is the fruit of the new Conciliar religion, and not vice versa.

But that is why Latin Mass Catholics are content as long as their local Conciliar parish offers an indult "Latin Mass". If they have a Latin Mass, they're completely good to go. Vatican II? Modernism? Destruction of the Faith? Conciliarism? Heresy? For them, "who cares?"

[Pax Vobis]

So what are you saying - no one should go to the sspx anymore?  I agree, everyday they move inch by inch closer towards new Rome, but I don't think one can 'red light' the entire sspx ... yet.  

[Matthew]

So what are you saying - no one should go to the sspx anymore?  I agree, everyday they move inch by inch closer towards new Rome, but I don't think one can 'red light' the entire sspx ... yet.  

Where did I say that?

I'm justifying the "yellow light" position as a legitimate position to take. And by the way, "red light" specifically means that DOGMATICALLY, no one may attend the SSPX. It implies a universal application, and it necessarily implies an attempt to COMPEL OTHERS to follow this course of action.

If Joe Catholic decides it is best for him and his family to not attend the SSPX, that is inherently a yellow light position. If he decides the same thing, but for himself and every other Traditional Catholic in Tradition, then he holds the Red Light position.

Just because a motorist hits the breaks doesn't mean he thinks the light is red! He might just be reacting that way to a yellow light. He doesn't think it prudent to hit the gas for this particular yellow light.

But when a person calls the cops on others "going" through the intersection, then he certainly believes the light is RED, because it's not against the law to run a yellow light.

[TakionMalus]

I found out how to do spiritual communion(I think I did anyway). I tried going to an SSPX parish, but unfortunately, I kinda got lost, but ultimately it is my fault because I left my house late.

Anyway, I will see if I can go next week. 

[Pax Vobis]

I'm justifying the "yellow light" position as a legitimate position to take. And by the way, "red light" specifically means that DOGMATICALLY, no one may attend the SSPX.

Agree about the yellow light.  And yes, now is not the time for a red light - not until a deal is made with Rome. 

[Jovita]

I have been a Roman Catholic for 17 years. What I meant to state is that I was not baptized into Eastern Orthodoxy, so I (to my understanding at least) did not join the Church, I was only a Catechumen. I then returned to the One True Church Christ founded. Also, it is great to see the Pope has done so, but where is the source for it.

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-extends-jubilee-mandate-on-abortion-sspx-confession-83265

I, too, was once an Eastern Orthodox catechumen. It was their specific requirement of re-baptizing me (Ephesians 4: 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism) and having to deny the Chair of Peter's supremacy that made me turn around and leave them. 

[TakionMalus]

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-extends-jubilee-mandate-on-abortion-sspx-confession-83265

I, too, was once an Eastern Orthodox catechumen. It was their specific requirement of re-baptizing me (Ephesians 4: 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism) and having to deny the Chair of Peter's supremacy that made me turn around and leave them.

I wanted to leave the Catholic Church all together after finding out the heresies of Vatican II. Tbh, the Eastern Orthodox was an escape for me, until Catholic tradition was truly restored. I even began to stop praying the Rosary because I thought it was bad. My reasoning however was not just. I want to be part of the One True Church, and not lose my salvation. 

[Stubborn]

It's a nice opinion, but I don't see why you left out FSSP and indult Tridentine Masses.

The OP did not mention having any intention of going to either one of them and my post was getting too lengthy.

[Stubborn]

As a Trad, I believe that we have an obligation to keep the Faith, and so we are obligated to abstain from the Novus Ordo and any other Mass which places our Faith in danger.

I agree with you completely and as I said, there are reasons to miss the Holy Sacrifice, but I disagree with the advice given that when there is no Resistance Mass that it is best to stay at home, particularly when there is an SSPX Mass readily available to one who has been seeking to leave the NO and go to the True Mass in order to receive the sacraments, particularly confession. I do not consider the SSPX Masses and sacraments as an occasion of placing our faith in danger, not yet at least.
 

[Meg]

Hello everyone. My name is TakionMalus. I started listen to the individuals at OurLadyofTheMostHolyFamilyMonastery(or vatican catholic on youtube), and I became a sedavacantists. Then, I went to the Eastern Orthodox for a few masses and after that, I left, and returned to Catholicism. I was fortunate not to have been baptized yet in the Eastern Orthodox Church. Now, I am here and I plan on hopefully going to an SPPX parish tmr, but I have a question? Do they have the ability to give out sacraments or do confession? Fr Rippegerr of the Fraternity of Saint Peter states they don't, but Idk really no.

Please help! And thnx.

You mention above that Fr. Ripperger of the FSSP says that the SSPX doesn't have the ability to offer the sacraments. As far as I know, Fr. Ripperger believes that since the SSPX are 'suspended,' that they cannot lawfully provide the sacraments. But this doesn't take into account that the SSPX believes that they have supplied jurisdiction (and rightly so, IMO), in that if the faithful approach them for the sacraments, then the SSPX can provide them due to necessity during a crisis. 

Keep in mind that when the original priests who left the SSPX back in 1988, and started the FFSP with JP2's permission, those priests were working under Archbishop Lefebvre who was actually 'suspended' even before the 1988 episcopal consecrations. Those priests who eventually left the SSPX to start the FSSP didn't have a problem with the suspension back then, before the events of 1988, so I don't see that Fr. Ripperger is justified in saying that the faithful shouldn't approach the SSPX for the sacraments. 

[Jovita]

 so I don't see that Fr. Ripperger is justified in saying that the faithful shouldn't approach the SSPX for the sacraments.

Ripperger WAS with the FSSP but left to start his own order. The FSSP are trained to divert faithful SSPX'ers and lead them to FSSP. It's a trap I did not fall for. So are the indult masses.