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Re: New Guy on Forum
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2018, 06:51:28 PM »
http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/pope-francis-validates-sspx-confessions-for-year-of-mercy
It looks like to me that this lasts, according to the Article until Nov 2016. So did this end at 2016?
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The stated plan at first was for it to be for one year only but then as the year progressed, Francis eventually extended the "privilege" indefinitely.
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But all along, even before this, there was really no question of validity in Confession for independent priests or SSPX for that matter, since the Church law all along has been that anyone asking a priest to hear his confession by the very fact of seeking the sacrament from the priest, gives the priest the necessary jurisdiction for hearing the confession and giving valid absolution. This is called "supplied jurisdiction," because the Church supplies the jurisdiction in each case because of necessity.
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Since there may be a line or queue of people waiting for Confession, each one does not have to ask the priest. The mere fact that the line is waiting is sufficient to constitute a request for each person to have a valid confession heard.
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One of the many criticisms against Bishop Fellay has been that he implied at a speech given on Feb. 2nd a few years ago that independent priests not in the SSPX could be denied this supplied jurisdiction if +Fellay said so, or something like that. It might have been a problem with translation since English is not his first language. He was addressing SSPX priests at the time but it sounded like he was speaking to all non-diocessan or Order priests. I know an independent priest who got quite upset about this and wrote a letter to +F questioning his meaning, but never received any response.
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Re: New Guy on Forum
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2018, 07:05:21 PM »
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That's an interesting explanation. I was not aware that Eastern Orthodox groups routinely "baptize" converts even when they were baptized already beforehand. That means they practice sacrilege quite often.
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For them it is quite alright because it is a matter of Tradition handed down from the Church Fathers. I've been told that the idea of anyone being able to baptize was an evolution of thought presented by St. Augustine. No one before him taught such a thing.
I've been meaning to open a few threads on Eastern Orthodoxy for a while now, maybe I'll start one tomorrow.
Anyhow, this is now off topic and I shall leave off here.


Re: New Guy on Forum
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2018, 03:33:00 PM »
No there is no SSPX resistance chapel near me.


In that case then it is best to stay at home on sunday and sanctify the Sabbath as much as possible.

Do you know how to make spiritual communions? Act of uniting yourself with the Masses being made that day?

These are important things that every Catholic should know.

Try to make it as often as possible to a resistance chapel, even if it is once a year. You can't put a price on Sacraments that are pleasing to God.

As for any other sacraments, the Churchs moral theology is clear; As in the case of the Orthodox, validity is not all that counts. The sacraments cannot be availed of if they are not pleasing to God.

You will get contrary advice from some on this forum, but what I am saying is based on the Churches teaching and in response to the modernist crises in the Church.

Re: New Guy on Forum
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2018, 03:49:03 AM »

In that case then it is best to stay at home on sunday and sanctify the Sabbath as much as possible.

Do you know how to make spiritual communions? Act of uniting yourself with the Masses being made that day?

These are important things that every Catholic should know.

Try to make it as often as possible to a resistance chapel, even if it is once a year. You can't put a price on Sacraments that are pleasing to God.

As for any other sacraments, the Churchs moral theology is clear; As in the case of the Orthodox, validity is not all that counts. The sacraments cannot be availed of if they are not pleasing to God.

You will get contrary advice from some on this forum, but what I am saying is based on the Churches teaching and in response to the modernist crises in the Church.
And how do I make spiritual communions? 

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Re: New Guy on Forum
« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2018, 04:37:57 AM »

In that case then it is best to stay at home on sunday and sanctify the Sabbath as much as possible.

Do you know how to make spiritual communions? Act of uniting yourself with the Masses being made that day?

These are important things that every Catholic should know.

Try to make it as often as possible to a resistance chapel, even if it is once a year. You can't put a price on Sacraments that are pleasing to God.

As for any other sacraments, the Churchs moral theology is clear; As in the case of the Orthodox, validity is not all that counts. The sacraments cannot be availed of if they are not pleasing to God.

You will get contrary advice from some on this forum, but what I am saying is based on the Churches teaching and in response to the modernist crises in the Church.
This is not good advice to give to the OP, i.e. it's best to stay home and avoid the SSPX because there is no Resistance chapel near.

We are under a most serious obligation to attend the Holy Sacrifice (not the NOM - we are obligated to avoid the NOM). It is the third of the Ten Commandments and it is Precept of the Church. If one can make it to the Holy Sacrifice on Sundays and Holy Days then one must go, it is our duty and we are under a most serious obligation to attend - and we must go or commit a mortal sin. This is the teaching of the Church, this is the Third Commandment and Precept of the Church. The SSPX has valid priests and they offer the Holy Sacrifice that the Church obligated us to attend - if there is an SSPX Mass within a hundred miles or so and you can make it, then you MUST go.

In the Old Testament, sacrifice to God was one of God's most necessary requirements, and now the sacrificial Lamb is Our Lord, really and physically present under the appearance of bread and wine, it still remains one of God's most necessary requirements in the New Testament because of what it is - and it is for that reason that to miss it when it's readily available to us is a mortal sin.  

There are many confused souls in this crisis who do not understand the seriousness of the obligation we are under to assist at the Holy Sacrifice every Sunday and Holy day of obligation. They confuse the NOM with the Holy Sacrifice and often end up at a NOM when they should stay home - but they must not confuse that with the SSPX's Holy Sacrifice, which we are obligated to attend if we can get to it under pain of mortal sin. 

There are reasons to miss Mass, but missing it for the reason given above is most certainly not one of them.