[Samuel]

Yes, well Father Pfeiffer has gone to other extremes. This is not the place to discuss this.

It is ridiculous to insinuate that I am "forbidding" it. The theology of the Church forbids it. I have no jurisdictional authority to do anything. Take it up with God almighty if you have a problem.

And since the St. Thomas' the Church has pronounced many times on attending Masses of heretics and schismatics. . The answer was NO, NO, and NO again! Stop trying to make gray where things are black and white.

Serious issues like this require us to be detached from our sentiments and human respect.

I did not say that you are "forbidding" it, but I do say that those who pontificate or glorify an extreme red light position are giving the impression that their opinion is based on Church doctrine. On the contrary, such an extreme position is based on emotions instead of on doctrine.

In fact, you just proved my point by claiming that the Church "has pronounced... The answer was NO, NO and NO again!".

The Church advises us to avoid the heretic even before the Church's judgment, but she only forbids us attending their mass after the Church's pronouncement.

[Samuel]

oh and by the way... there is no "danger" in doing the will of God according to the teaching of the Church.

Another unhealthy insinuation because you are trying to scare someone away from doing the right thing.

No, but there is a grave danger in listening to a false representation of the teaching of the Church, especially when these teachers tell us to stay away from the Sacraments.

The right thing for this person to do is to save his soul. And if he cannot do that without attending an SSPX Mass, then let him attend it.

[Samuel]

This is not good advice to give to the OP, i.e. it's best to stay home and avoid the SSPX because there is no Resistance chapel near.

We are under a most serious obligation to attend the Holy Sacrifice (not the NOM - we are obligated to avoid the NOM). It is the third of the Ten Commandments and it is Precept of the Church. If one can make it to the Holy Sacrifice on Sundays and Holy Days then one must go, it is our duty and we are under a most serious obligation to attend - and we must go or commit a mortal sin. This is the teaching of the Church, this is the Third Commandment and Precept of the Church. The SSPX has valid priests and they offer the Holy Sacrifice that the Church obligated us to attend - if there is an SSPX Mass within a hundred miles or so and you can make it, then you MUST go.

In the Old Testament, sacrifice to God was one of God's most necessary requirements, and now the sacrificial Lamb is Our Lord, really and physically present under the appearance of bread and wine, it still remains one of God's most necessary requirements in the New Testament because of what it is - and it is for that reason that to miss it when it's readily available to us is a mortal sin.  

There are many confused souls in this crisis who do not understand the seriousness of the obligation we are under to assist at the Holy Sacrifice every Sunday and Holy day of obligation. They confuse the NOM with the Holy Sacrifice and often end up at a NOM when they should stay home - but they must not confuse that with the SSPX's Holy Sacrifice, which we are obligated to attend if we can get to it under pain of mortal sin.  

There are reasons to miss Mass, but missing it for the reason given above is most certainly not one of them.  

To be precise, we have an obligation to keep the Lord's day holy (Divine Law).

And the Church has decided that the way we keep the Lord's day holy is by attending Mass (Ecclesiastical Law).

It is therefore possible that a situation arises where we would violate the Divine Law by complying with the Ecclesiastical Law.

In such a case the higher law takes precedence and the Ecclesiastical Law must be ignored in order to comply with the Divine Law.

So the question becomes: do we still keep the Lord's day holy by attending a Mass by the SSPX?

And that depends on the circuмstances: what is the priest like, what about his sermons, what about the level of treason by the congregation he represents, what about scandal, etc ..

The former SSPX judged that in the case of those "who are in the process of betraying Tradition" we should not attend their Mass for various reasons.

Today, we can apply the same reasoning to the (Neo) SSPX itself, always allowing room for those who are not yet fully aware of the gravity of the situation, or those who would do greater harm by not attending Mass at all. Not everyone is at the same level of the battle.

[Jovita]

Not everyone is at the same level of the battle.

It is very confusing, to say the least. Saddest part, Catholics, whereever they are stationed, by default, view all Catholics as hostile, with suspicion. No one takes you under their wing to guide you. This is NOT the tradition as handed down by the Apostles.

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I have sat at mass and have had no one talk to me, no one can answer a question. This is of course the NO and indult. It's why I fled to the Eastern Catholics. Not much better but at least there is better access to the priests.

[kiwiboy]

I did not say that you are "forbidding" it, but I do say that those who pontificate or glorify an extreme red light position are giving the impression that their opinion is based on Church doctrine. On the contrary, such an extreme position is based on emotions instead of on doctrine.

In fact, you just proved my point by claiming that the Church "has pronounced... The answer was NO, NO and NO again!".

The Church advises us to avoid the heretic even before the Church's judgment, but she only forbids us attending their mass after the Church's pronouncement.

Samuel,

You are wasting my time and the time of the poor person who started this thread.

Re: forbidding; Well then you should choose your words more carefully in future. If you want to attack my person go ahead and say it, rather than cloaking it in falsities.

Extreme red light position? So there is a regular red light position?

Re: "before", "after" and all that other nonsense. They are arbitrary distinctions. What you are saying in effect means that we can attend the Novus Ordo because the Church hasn't forbidden that specifically. I mean, just think about the words coming out of your mouth.

Heretics will come up with useless distinctions and say that their specific error was not condemned. It is a classic tactic used by them. I am not of course saying you are a heretic, but you are unwittingly using the tactics of one, because of your error on this point.

The Church has already pronounced on modernism, and already on attending protestant services. END OF STORY.