Author Topic: New Guy, Old Trads (Read 7738 times)

Cosmos · « **on:** August 04, 2015, 09:29:29 AM »

Hi, I'm an old 70 years born and raised trad. I'm not SSPX but FSSP. However, my position with the SSPX is one of yearning and I hope one day there will be reconciliation. Having said that, I think Archbishop Fefebvre is one of the most brilliant minds that ever was, (which usually gives me squinty eye looks when I openly say I support his theology).

I go to NO masses because there's no EF here, but once a month attend EF when I am in the city that offers it.

On my Catholic position that is reflected here, I assume because I am in conversation with another Catholic, he has rudimentary catechism teachings down pat. I'm not trying to teach anyone here, which is why I will not offer citation on basics, although if you catch me on a Saturday morning, AFTER my coffee I mat relent.

I present point of views based on theological grounding(Sententia Pia and Opinio Tolerata), so that is a given. If you refute what I say, back it up.

I can also take polite correction.

Lighthouse · « **Reply #1 on:** August 04, 2015, 11:17:36 PM »

Well, you might start by explaining what this "EF" is that you speak of.

So, do you think that the traditional Latin Mass has been appropriately marginalized by the Novus Ordo "Mass"?

PerEvangelicaDicta · « **Reply #2 on:** August 05, 2015, 12:19:44 AM »

Welcome, Cosmos.

Lighthouse, I believe 'EF' refers to 'extraordinary form', is that correct Cosmos?

70 years old hopefully = thick skin. You may need it for the "polite correction" your brothers in the Faith will provide. Some have a bullet-between-the-eyes approach, but the heart is in the right place.

Stick around and get to know the members, and vice versa.

Cosmos · « **Reply #3 on:** August 05, 2015, 08:25:41 AM »

Quote from: Lighthouse

Well, you might start by explaining what this "EF" is that you speak of.

So, do you think that the traditional Latin Mass has been appropriately marginalized by the Novus Ordo "Mass"?

If the FSSP performance graph is any gauge, the steady upward spiral of FSSP gains looks more like a muscle-in to the NO majority, and there doesn't seem to be any resistance so far. In fact I usually state this from a question from dismayed NO people. When the SSPX issue is finally over, there will be no stopping it for sure. Lets pray for a resolution.

When I discovered that there was an EF at all after my decades of waiting, my first mass had me in tears has I heard the choir and all the spiritual memories swamped me. I was even more pleasantly surprised to see toddlers and young families, who do not even have the help of past memories and tradition to back their interest, a sure sign of the work of the Holy Spirit.

One such toddler gave me a snub. As I watched the diapered young lady with her hands held together and veil over her head walk up the aisle behind her mom and dad, I couldn't resist trying to catch her attention with a smile. No way, she remained firm and managed to put on a cute annoyed look. WOW!, I thought, what a real Catholic for our next generation; what a mom she will be one day.

In contrast, at NO mas presided by a visiting Bishop, I witnessed a similar family walk up the aisle with burgers and fries to the front pews, not a whimper from the liturgical community.

BTNYC · « **Reply #4 on:** August 05, 2015, 08:40:21 AM »

First off: Welcome to the forum, sir.

Quote from: Cosmos

If the FSSP performance graph is any gauge, the steady upward spiral of FSSP gains looks more like a muscle-in to the NO majority, and there doesn't seem to be any resistance so far.

Would that that were true. But a look at what evil the current occupant of the Throne of St. Peter has done to the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate shows that there is a great deal of resistance to the return of Tradition, and at the very highest echelons. It's going to get much worse before it gets better. My closest friend is an FSSP priest, and I get the distinct impression from him that he and his brothers feel the Sword of Damacles (read: Bergoglio) hanging over their heads.

And, as an aside, I think one of the worst things wrought by Summorum Pontificuм (perhaps worse than any good that was done) was the introduction of the phrase "Extraordinary form" to describe what is, in fact, the Mass of Ages; the true and only Rite of Mass of the Latin Church, as codified in perpetuity by Pope St. Pius V in Quo Primum. The notion that a scripted, Protestantized liturgy, fabricated by a Freemason with the help of Protestant heretics, and never legally promulgated, could ever be an "ordinary" or "normative" form of Mass is utterly absurd and, frankly, repugnant.

A book I would strongly recommend hunting down (if you're able) would be The Great Sacrilege by Fr. James Wathen. It's the first critique of the Novus Ordo ever published (at least in English), and shows an insightfulness and prescience that, considering it was written all the way back in 1971, is all but prophetic.