Author Topic: New Apparition from the Blessed Virgin Mary? (Read 3904 times)

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **on:** June 05, 2011, 04:16:26 PM »

Now I'm not sure what to think of this. A couple in El Paso says that an image of the Blessed Virgin Mary has appeared on their wall. There does appear to be a figure on the wall. However, the image of a goat with horns appears to be in the middle of the figure with a mysterious number 5 at the bottom. See what you think:

By Oralia Ortega - Main Anchor
Friday, June 3, 2011 - 2:19pm
EL PASO- "A stunning sight at an East El Paso home, where neighbors flock to see what they say is the apparition of the Virgin Mary.

The Virgin was first spotted Saturday in the backyard and has been appearing ever since. But what makes this story even more interesting is the other images people say they see when they snap pictures, pictures of what some say are demons surrounding the virgin.

The homeowner has always called his backyard "Mary’s garden" and now what appears to be the image of the Virgin Mary has shown up on a rock wall.

“I don't know if this is a message from God. I don't know but it's just a miracle,” says Marta Ramirez, who came to see the Virgin.

It was Saturday night when the homeowners told us the image first showed up. Alex Guillen says he had about 50 people over for his 50th birthday bash. “We just all of a sudden saw like a light turn on and it turned out to be the Virgin Mary. She came on my 50th birthday. She still hasn't left,” says Alex.

We were there before sunset and watched the image appear right before our very eyes taking pictures every 10 minutes starting at 8:20 p.m. “You can see the face right here. And then it goes all the way down right here. You can see her fingers and her robe goes all the way down,” says Alex.

Alex says the people who saw the apparition at his party started spreading the word and every day more people show up to pray, light candles and flowers by the virgin's apparition.

Martha Ramirez, a cancer survivor, is one of those who came to see the image for herself. “I touched it and I felt so good but I didn't want to touch it at first because I didn't want it to go away and it didn't,” says Marta.

The pictures that people have taken have led to speculations of other images surrounding the Virgin. “I've actually had people tell me that they saw Jesus Christ in back, just different things,” says Alex. “It's a lot of speculation, you know, of you know, demons and goat heads and jackal heads and all kinds of stuff.”

Right in the middle of the Virgin's robe, you can see the image of a goat head. “See the horns right here, the eyes, the nose the mouth, looks like a chin. Looks like it has horns,” says Alex.

In another picture, there's speculation about a skull. We’ve magnified the image to take a closer look and let you judge for yourself. And then in another picture, there's a glowing red head that appears to have horns.

“His face is red but it looks like a goat. It looks like a goat and I was just in awe,” says Nancy Guillen. “My mother-in-law walked over to what she thought was a demon-looking thing and we poured holy water with it with the sign of the cross. And we did say a Hail Mary also, all of us,” says Alex.

Those images, plus what appears to be the number 5 at the bottom of the virgin's robe led Nancy, Alex's wife, to do some research on the internet to find out what the demons and the number 5 could all mean.

“And I ran into this virgin and it looked like the Virgin that appeared on my wall. So I clicked on her. I never heard of her, this name I’ve never heard and it so happened that she appeared in 1876,” says Nancy.

The article says the lady the Virgin appeared to had cancer and the Virgin told the woman she'd be ok. “And it was telling her that she was going to be spared, that Christ was being merciful and she was going to live and he needed her here but she still had to suffer five more days for the five wounds of Christ,” says Nancy.

When she read about a demon also appearing with the image of the Virgin, she says she was convinced, this was the same Virgin. “And the virgin tells this lady 'Do not fear, for my son is merciful and he has sent me here and you will be ok,'” says Nancy.

Alex says he also believes what the Virgin is trying to say is that she's there to protect against all evil forces.

“I have a feeling in my bones, she's taking care of me. She's getting evil away from me. She's getting evil away from me. She came in to protect me,” says Alex.

We tried contacting the Catholic Diocese for comment but we were told that the bishop is out of town."

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #1 on:** June 05, 2011, 04:19:42 PM »

Here's the link to the video.

http://www.ktsm.com/virgin/couple-says-an-image-of-the-virgin-mary-has-appeared-at-their-east-el-paso-home

Daegus · « **Reply #2 on:** June 05, 2011, 08:17:13 PM »

A goat head... the number 5, red faces, skulls... Yeah, sure sounds like the Virgin Mary to me.

Instead of casting doubt with skulls surrounding her, don't these people think that maybe our Lady would send something like a Rosary, or at least a MESSAGE of some sort? As of now, there appears to be no significant reason for this apparition. Also, if the apparition does have a message and it says ANYTHING heterodox it is a demon from hell and nothing else.

On the other hand it could just be the BV revealing herself just for the sake of having people believe. If that's the case, it's not like this would be the first time she's done that. I am skeptical though because of the goat head and such.

Or it could be a hoax..

Raoul76 · « **Reply #3 on:** June 06, 2011, 02:25:05 AM »

Thanks for the video Spiritus. I'm now thoroughly creeped out.

Not because of the goat head. I'm creeped out because of the Satanic media and how even traditional Catholics seem to be blind to when they are being mocked right in their faces by the devil. The fact that the entire media is really a giant occult ritual is truly terrifying, far more so than a standard demonic apparition.

I don't even know where to start with the inconsistencies here. The Virgin Mary "appeared" on his wall. I don't understand what it's supposed to be. Is she made of light, is she drawn in chalk, or is she somehow hewn into the rock? The "homeowner" says she appeared in a flash of light. At times in the video she appears to be made of light, at others more like part of the wall. There is an insane amount of shadows and reflections that make it impossible to tell what you're looking at. The whole wall appears to be crawling with strange shapes.

Then they say that the number five appears at her feet. Part of the so-called number five, if you look closely, is nothing but the shadow of some kind of sculpture down there at her feet, which looks like two kids huddling together under a giant crabweed. Move the sculpture, no more number five.

This shows you the true power of suggestion of the media. They say there is a shadow that looks like the number five, and people pick up on it, even though they blatantly show what caused that image.

Here's a question for the people of CathInfo -- if a phosphorescent hologram-type image of the Virgin Mary appeared on your wall, would you block it with a tiny sculpture of two children huddling underneath a weed?

Another surreal part of the video is how the people acknowledge there are goat heads and skulls all over but then just act as if it's irrelevant. The guy says he said a Hail Mary to get rid of the skull but doesn't explain what he tried to do to get rid of the super-detailed Baphomet face. Then in another video from one of the "news" stations they show Novus Ordo nuns over there, praying -- nuns aren't bothered by the head of Satan being superimposed on the Virgin Mary? I realize that the Novus Ordo has superstition in the place of religion, but it isn't really possible to be this misguided, is it? Don't answer that.

The whole way this is filmed and edited, the music, the contradictions in how the people act and what they say and the information we're given, has the air of a devilish prank. I know the prince of this world's fiendish fingerprint when I see it. I don't believe this report at face value at all. If you search the web for this story, the only other source is another "news" station in El Paso, with another 19-year old local-beauty-queen type anchor, which shows the exact same clips and uses the same music. There are no articles in the print media about it. That right there raises serious alarm bells. There is a total absence of information about who these people are that own the house.

As I was typing this, there was a minor quake. Man I am really jumpy and on edge tonight. Thanks Spiritus. P.S. Did you really type "I'm not sure what to think of this"?

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #4 on:** June 06, 2011, 09:13:38 AM »

Well, I guess instead of typing "I'm not sure what to think of this" I should have typed "I don't buy this". Truth is, I don't think whatever this thing on the wall is could be from God. I've never heard of Mary just appearing on somebody's and not moving. She always would have a message of some sort in her previous apparitions, not just stand there and say nothing. That's the main thing that gave away the so-called "Third Secret" the Vatican released about JPII. Their message did not have her say anything! And in no way would I buy the absolute LIE that the devil's face could be plastered on a figure of Our Lady if it were from God.

I definitely think the figure is from the devil. Either that or it's just a hoax planted by the homeowners. But I'm going to guess it's from the devil. So yeah, pardon my "I'm not sure what to think of this statement". I don't always word things correctly. Sorry for creeping you out, Raoul. It kind of creeped me out as well.

Catholic Samurai · « **Reply #5 on:** June 06, 2011, 12:16:19 PM »

Quote from: Raoul76

Another surreal part of the video is how the people acknowledge there are goat heads and skulls all over but then just act as if it's irrelevant.

To be honest, I dont see it. If there were clearly a goat head present in the image I would be the one to notice it! The goat head the guy outlined is barely even there, and doesn't really look like a goat head to begin with.The supposed skulls that they are showing seem to be nothing more than reflections of light. As for the figure they claim is the Blessed Virgin, it could be anything from a druid to a muslim woman. It's not like we can see any details that would suggest that it is Our Lady save for the robe. In fact you can't even tell if it's a male or female. But then it's actually fairly easy for Hispanic people to get the impression that it is Our Lady in the image simply because the figure is veiled like she is, and today Our Lady is the only person whom a Hispanic will see wearing a veil.

What we really have here, at most, is the devil making a sorry attempt to drive ignorant NO Catholics deeper into their sentimentalist based faith and encourage superstition.

Catholic Samurai · « **Reply #6 on:** June 06, 2011, 12:21:22 PM »

Quote from: Raoul76

Then they say that the number five appears at her feet. Part of the so-called number five, if you look closely, is nothing but the shadow of some kind of sculpture down there at her feet, which looks like two kids huddling together under a giant crabweed. Move the sculpture, no more number five.

I was trying to see where the heck the 5 was, and then the guy pointed to the shadow that didn't merit any of my attention in the first place because it was obviously just that, a shadow.

WTF are people so damn stupid?

Raoul76 · « **Reply #7 on:** May 15, 2014, 07:46:15 AM »

I would like to retract my charge that this was a deliberate hoax on the part of the media and apologize to all involved... Certainly something strange was going on here, and we know the media these days is full of liars, but more proof is needed for such a claim. For now, giving the benefit of the doubt, I'll assume this was an ignorant family mixed with an ignorant and sensationalist media, both of whom are more than confused about the faith.