Author Topic: Need Traditional Mass near Bryan Texas (Read 1667 times)

Miseremini · « **on:** August 01, 2015, 10:29:18 AM »

A friend from Bryan Texas is finally wanting to attend the Latin Mass.
As I do not live in the U.S.A. I couldn't help.

Can anyone tell me which would be the closest location?

Matthew · « **Reply #1 on:** August 01, 2015, 11:02:40 AM »

Fr. Zendejas' new chapel in La Marque TX is 2 hours 17 minutes away
Fr. Zendejas' other Texas chapel, the one I manage (St. Dominic's chapel, 20 minutes from San Antonio) is 2 hours, 15 minutes away

I think that's about as good as you're gonna get. Most of the Trad chapels in Texas are near San Antonio, Houston, Dallas, or El Paso. Texas is very big and spread out. But there are stretches of land the size of entire East Coast states that have *zilch*

For example, there's nothing south of San Antonio. Period. If you're near the border, you have to drive up to San Antonio for Mass.

P.S. The only other option I can see is Austin, which is 1 hour 44 minutes away. Considering that you're stepping way down in THREE areas, I don't think shaving off 21% of the drive is worth it:
1. More traffic in and around Austin
2. Austin only has neo-SSPX and Indult
3. Neo-SSPX meets in a hotel, only has Mass twice a month, and is getting a brand-new neo-SSPX priest "formed in the new paradigm" in 2 weeks. Furthermore, the entire chapel (except for one individual) is anti-Resistance; not just neutral.

For that matter, Houston also has quite a bit of traffic. But at least the Mass and priest are solid, they have a church, and weekly Mass. So that would be your #2 choice.

But I'd recommend St. Dominic's as the #1 choice for this person, since we aren't next to any big city, so traffic is always clear. We have the same priest/Mass, weekly Mass, and a permanent location (we might be getting pews very soon). Also, our Mass is at 2:30 PM, whereas Houston has Mass at 8:30 AM. When your drive is 2 1/4 hours, a later Mass is much more convenient.

Stubborn · « **Reply #2 on:** August 01, 2015, 11:05:39 AM »

See if he can make it to Matthew's - only about 150 miles.

For Texans, I think that's just a short drive.

Matthew · « **Reply #3 on:** August 01, 2015, 11:15:01 AM »

Quote from: Stubborn

See if he can make it to Matthew's - only about 150 miles.

For Texans, I think that's just a short drive.

In Texas they usually say how many hours away it is. With few exceptions (around the big cities), the roads are open here and you can go 75 or 85 easily. So in 2 hours, you can cover 150 miles or more.

Compare that with the East Coast. 150 miles might take you across several states, several toll roads, and involve 12 hours of driving, once you count traffic.

Matthew · « **Reply #4 on:** August 01, 2015, 11:23:31 AM »

https://www.zeemaps.com/map?group=1566538&location=Seguin%2C%20TX

Witness the gaps and horribly sporadic coverage in Texas.

Marlelar · « **Reply #5 on:** August 01, 2015, 12:29:08 PM »

When we visit family in TX we drive a little over 2 hrs to get to Mass. Not an odd thing in TX at all!

Miseremini · « **Reply #6 on:** August 01, 2015, 12:46:50 PM »

Thank you for your help. I'll pass it along.

MaterDominici · « **Reply #7 on:** August 01, 2015, 12:50:50 PM »

You could add a couple of dots in uncovered territory if you added indult, but I wouldn't recommend those Masses unless I knew something about them.

Matthew · « **Reply #8 on:** August 01, 2015, 01:16:06 PM »

I ignored the Indult for many good reasons.

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Remember-how-bad-the-Indult-can-be

1. You never know what you're gonna get.
2. A traditional Mass was asked for, not some kind of hybrid Latin/Novus Ordo said by a priest of doubtful training/ordination and who might not even know the rubrics of a Tridentine Mass.
3. On countless occasions the Indult is taken away without warning, leaving countless directories and "Latin Mass listings" with defunct or outdated information.
4. By the time you've driven to a major city that offers the Indult, you might as well drive a bit further and get the real deal. When you're looking for a car, is price the only factor? No, because if you can get twice the car, you're willing to spend a little more money. Likewise, distance traveled isn't the only factor in finding a good Mass location. There are two factors: distance traveled, and what you get. It's a ratio:

What you get
---------------
Distance traveled

Just like with most merchandise:

What it's worth
----------------
What you paid

If you paid $100 for a computer worth $75, it's a rotten deal.
If you paid $100 for a computer worth $110, it's an OK deal.
If you paid $150 for a computer worth $1000, it's a stellar deal.

And if you only have $100 to spend, but the computers available to buy are worth $5, $10 and $20 -- it's better to just save your money!

Centroamerica · « **Reply #9 on:** August 01, 2015, 02:38:11 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

Fr. Zendejas' new chapel in La Marque TX is 2 hours 17 minutes away
Fr. Zendejas' other Texas chapel, the one I manage (St. Dominic's chapel, 20 minutes from San Antonio) is 2 hours, 15 minutes away

I think that's about as good as you're gonna get. Most of the Trad chapels in Texas are near San Antonio, Houston, Dallas, or El Paso. Texas is very big and spread out. But there are stretches of land the size of entire East Coast states that have *zilch*

For example, there's nothing south of San Antonio. Period. If you're near the border, you have to drive up to San Antonio for Mass.

P.S. The only other option I can see is Austin, which is 1 hour 44 minutes away. Considering that you're stepping way down in THREE areas, I don't think shaving off 21% of the drive is worth it:
1. More traffic in and around Austin
2. Austin only has neo-SSPX and Indult
3. Neo-SSPX meets in a hotel, only has Mass twice a month, and is getting a brand-new neo-SSPX priest "formed in the new paradigm" in 2 weeks. Furthermore, the entire chapel (except for one individual) is anti-Resistance; not just neutral.

For that matter, Houston also has quite a bit of traffic. But at least the Mass and priest are solid, they have a church, and weekly Mass. So that would be your #2 choice.

But I'd recommend St. Dominic's as the #1 choice for this person, since we aren't next to any big city, so traffic is always clear. We have the same priest/Mass, weekly Mass, and a permanent location (we might be getting pews very soon). Also, our Mass is at 2:30 PM, whereas Houston has Mass at 8:30 AM. When your drive is 2 1/4 hours, a later Mass is much more convenient.

That's not true, people near the border drive up to attend Mass in Corpus Christi with the SSPX.

Matthew · « **Reply #10 on:** August 01, 2015, 02:50:33 PM »

But Corpus Christi only has Mass once a month. So technically I should amend my statement: "those near the border need to drive up to San Antonio for Mass 4 Sundays out of 5, or 3 Sundays out of 4."

I left out Corpus Christi for 3 reasons:

1. They don't have regular Mass. Only once a month is too rare to bother with, unless it's a short drive from your house. And the person in question is *FOUR HOURS* from Corpus Christi. For a 2 1/4 hour drive, he could have weekly Mass.

2. It isn't even a Mass center: Besides the fact it is neo-SSPX, it is also held in a hotel (non-permanent location). That was its status in 2005; the location objectively lacks support, fervor, and resources.

3. I'm not sure if Fr. Zigrang will still be going there after August 15th of this year. If he isn't, then there would be the added complication of "frog boiling" and pro-Vatican 2 propaganda and other errors.