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poche · « **Reply #5 on:** December 10, 2014, 11:07:30 PM »

The communioin of saints is as old as the Apostles Creed. It has to do with the relation that we as a Church have with each other. This relatin doesn't stop with death. It includes the Church Suffering (the souls in Purgatory) and the Church Triumphant ( the saints in Heaven) This is why we pray for the souls in Purgatory and we pray to the saints in Heaven asking their intercession.

Cera · « **Reply #6 on:** December 11, 2014, 03:59:43 PM »

Quote from: poche

The communioin of saints is as old as the Apostles Creed. It has to do with the relation that we as a Church have with each other. This relatin doesn't stop with death. It includes the Church Suffering (the souls in Purgatory) and the Church Triumphant ( the saints in Heaven) This is why we pray for the souls in Purgatory and we pray to the saints in Heaven asking their intercession.

That's what I always thought, and what I was taught. But when I read this St. Joseph Baltimore Catechism by Father Bennet, and it says "communion of the saints" actually means "sharing a meal at the table," I was stunned and rattled. The publisher, Catholic Book Publishing Corp. evidently went back and "modernized" the good priest's catechism.

Anthony Benedict · « **Reply #7 on:** December 11, 2014, 04:16:07 PM »

Cera, unless ANYTHING published for Catholics pre-dates Vatican II, it simply cannot be taken at face value.

Even highly reliable, dedicated "super-conservative" and a handful of Trad publishers, editors and authors have made a few errors in the past 50 years.

NOT intentionally, NOT as part of a "secret agenda" but simply because the ubiquity of liberalism, modernism and conciliarism have had SUCH a devastating effect on the minds and technical resources used in publishing that, after 50+ years of deliberate and constant liberal agitprop, certain elements of doctrine and discipline have been deliberately made MORE difficult to ascertain without extensive, exhaustive historical research.

Thus, the importance of traditionalist websites whereat many good Trads labor constantly to source-check, compare and offer intelligent commentaries.

Yes, it involves additional expense; original publications are VERY hard to find from before the Council and, thus, quite expensive in the after-market.

And it also entails sustained effort over years and years of labor, simply to help fellow Catholics to remain in touch with what the Perennial Magisterium and Sacred Tradition have decreed, explained and exhorted the faithful to cling to.

Cera · « **Reply #8 on:** December 12, 2014, 12:40:29 PM »

The copyright on this book is 1964, with subsequent reprintings. The problem is that the reprints were not reprints. If you look at any book, you will see the original printing date, and then the reprint dates. The so-called "luminous mysteries" existed only in the mind of the heretic Bugnini in 1964, so the logical conclusion is that the publisher is misleading people into thinking this is a reprint from 1964. So we not only have to become very aware, as you point out, but we also have to protect ourselves against those who deliberately mislead us.

Cera · « **Reply #9 on:** December 12, 2014, 12:48:12 PM »

Quote from: Anthony Benedict

Cera, unless ANYTHING published for Catholics pre-dates Vatican II, it simply cannot be taken at face value.

Even highly reliable, dedicated "super-conservative" and a handful of Trad publishers, editors and authors have made a few errors in the past 50 years.

NOT intentionally, NOT as part of a "secret agenda" but simply because the ubiquity of liberalism, modernism and conciliarism have had SUCH a devastating effect on the minds and technical resources used in publishing that, after 50+ years of deliberate and constant liberal agitprop, certain elements of doctrine and discipline have been deliberately made MORE difficult to ascertain without extensive, exhaustive historical research.

Thus, the importance of traditionalist websites whereat many good Trads labor constantly to source-check, compare and offer intelligent commentaries.

Yes, it involves additional expense; original publications are VERY hard to find from before the Council and, thus, quite expensive in the after-market.

And it also entails sustained effort over years and years of labor, simply to help fellow Catholics to remain in touch with what the Perennial Magisterium and Sacred Tradition have decreed, explained and exhorted the faithful to cling to.

How do you know that the accuмulated lies and errors are simply accidental? What then, is the "mystery of iniquity" spoken of in the Bible? Why does Jesus warn us of "those who say they are Jews and are not." Why does Jesus warn us about the "synagog of satan." Surely, Our Lord was not a "conspiracy theorist." What of all the encyclicals written by pre-V2 popes, warning us against the ʝʊdɛօ-masonic conspiracy? I think it's sort of sweet that you impute no ill-will to publishers who go back and change the words of the authors, who change the truths of our faith. Sweet, but also dangerous if this fear of being labeled a whoo whoo "consssspiracy theorist" keeps one from the big picture.