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Offline brainglitch

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« on: July 10, 2013, 02:13:30 PM »
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  • I have been doing a lot of reading recently about World War II, especially from the German viewpoint. This got me to thinking about the use of concentration/forced labor camps and the Warsaw ghetto.

    We all know and agree (or at least most of us) that the Jews are the enemies of the Faith, more so than even other enemies such as the Muslims, Protestants, etc.

    We also know that at least MOST Jews are violently opposed to the Church, the reign of Christ, and Western Civilization. Many who are in positions of power and influence actively work towards this end (think Abe Foxman etc.).

    With this in mind, were the ghettos/camps set up by the Germans to put all Jews in morally acceptable? It seems to me that an argument could possibly be made that they were, given the necessity of ending Jewish domination over various sectors of society (finance, arts and literature, etc.).

    What principles of moral theology or Catholic social principles would cover this topic?

    The extermination of Jews by mass shootings, starvation, etc. (which certainly did occur, although not nearly in the numbers that the ADL et al. like to claim) is, I believe, a separate topic. I highly doubt that such actions could be moral under any circumstances, and so I don't believe that that is a part of my question or the topic of this post. I am not talking about the "Holocaust", but about forced labor/concentration camps/ghettos.

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    « Reply #1 on: July 10, 2013, 02:20:51 PM »
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  • I fail to see why anyone would try to start a thread like this unless they were a JDL troll.
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    « Reply #2 on: July 10, 2013, 02:28:20 PM »
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  • Whaddaya know, "paxromanum18" makes his appearance to leap to the defence of Nazi Germany.  :laugh1:

    Jews were traditionally somewhat segregated from Christian society.

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    « Reply #3 on: July 10, 2013, 02:38:38 PM »
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  • I happen to be of the opinion that beliefs and doctrine are more important than ethnic background, but that's besides the point of this thread.

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    « Reply #4 on: July 10, 2013, 03:11:32 PM »
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  • Jew's control the world.

    The Holocaust was a lie concocted by the Jews.

    The "concentration camps" are a gross exaggeration of History fed to us by the Jews.

    Jews achieved there objectives.

    Period.


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    « Reply #5 on: July 10, 2013, 03:12:33 PM »
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  • brainglitch has no credibility. he/she was caught lying about PaxRomanum in the anon section.

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    « Reply #6 on: July 10, 2013, 03:19:37 PM »
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  • Quote from: Napoli
    Jew's control the world.

    The Holocaust was a lie concocted by the Jews.

    The "concentration camps" are a gross exaggeration of History fed to us by the Jews.

    Jews achieved there objectives.

    Period.


    Yep!

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    « Reply #7 on: July 10, 2013, 04:15:06 PM »
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  • Quote from: PaxRomanum18
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    The extermination of Jews by mass shootings, starvation, etc. (which certainly did occur


    You would love to believe that wouldn't you? The Anglo-Russian image of heartless Germans just exterminating and purposely starving Jews.


    These things did happen. Unfortunately the popular image of them is greatly exaggerated for the purpose of eliciting sympathy for the Jews, to excuse their vile occupation of Palestine and to discredit those who point out the very real problems with Jewish domination of culture.


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    « Reply #8 on: July 10, 2013, 04:20:30 PM »
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    brainglitch has no credibility. he/she was caught lying about PaxRomanum in the anon section.


    I did not lie. I pointed out the fact that PR18 greatly exaggerates the importance of race over religion and considers it practically impossible for Jews to sincerely convert (although he did eventually admit it was theoretically possible).

    Now, back on topic- Jews were traditionally in ghettos in Europe. I want to know if there was a qualitative difference between this, and what the Nazis were attempting to achieve.

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    « Reply #9 on: July 10, 2013, 05:27:26 PM »
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  • I think starting this thread is worthy of a ban.

    And attempt to compare Catholics here to Nazis and to elicit defense of the Nazis.

    Neotrad pharisees should not be permitted here: they have far more in common with Jews than with Catholics.



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    « Reply #10 on: July 10, 2013, 05:41:23 PM »
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  • Quote from: brainglitch
    I have been doing a lot of reading recently about World War II, especially from the German viewpoint. This got me to thinking about the use of concentration/forced labor camps and the Warsaw ghetto.

    We all know and agree (or at least most of us) that the Jews are the enemies of the Faith, more so than even other enemies such as the Muslims, Protestants, etc.

    We also know that at least MOST Jews are violently opposed to the Church, the reign of Christ, and Western Civilization. Many who are in positions of power and influence actively work towards this end (think Abe Foxman etc.).

    With this in mind, were the ghettos/camps set up by the Germans to put all Jews in morally acceptable? It seems to me that an argument could possibly be made that they were, given the necessity of ending Jewish domination over various sectors of society (finance, arts and literature, etc.).

    What principles of moral theology or Catholic social principles would cover this topic?

    The extermination of Jews by mass shootings, starvation, etc. (which certainly did occur, although not nearly in the numbers that the ADL et al. like to claim) is, I believe, a separate topic. I highly doubt that such actions could be moral under any circumstances, and so I don't believe that that is a part of my question or the topic of this post. I am not talking about the "Holocaust", but about forced labor/concentration camps/ghettos.
    Is it "morally acceptable" for the Jews in Israel to set up concentration camps and ghettos for the Palestinians today?

    The difference there is, the Arabs are the indigenious peoples who are prisoners within their own lands by a foreign invader enabled by the "world" community known as the U.N. while much of Jewry in Europe operated covertly behind the scenes, scheming and swindling the finances out of the nations under the guise of "International" Bankers.

    Corralling the Jews was NS Germany's way of protecting their nation from a malevolent presence, at least that was their view at the time. Maybe not each and every Jew was an usurper of his own volition, but world wide Jewry did declare an open war on Germany shortly after Hitler was elected.

    Now was it "morally accepetable" for them to defend themsleves?

    You tell me.


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    « Reply #11 on: July 10, 2013, 05:59:01 PM »
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    I happen to be of the opinion that beliefs and doctrine are more important than ethnic background, but that's besides the point of this thread.


    And braininglitch has shown to be ethnically attached to his Jewish background, ignoring all other loyalty...this is not too surprising since those who are Jewish have the true power...

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    « Reply #12 on: July 10, 2013, 06:01:59 PM »
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    Jews were traditionally somewhat segregated from Christian society.


    Here I should change this for you: "Jews were traditionally somewhat kicked out of countries like Isabella's Spain under a Christian society."

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    « Reply #13 on: July 10, 2013, 07:18:16 PM »
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  • That is not true.

    I have been doing some reading and noted that what the Nazis attempted to do was not that far off from what actually occurred with ghettos in the Middle Ages. Far from condemning, I see it as a rather reasonable response to the problem of Jewish cultural domination. What I was wondering about was whether it is, from a theological standpoint, completely moral.

    As for Israel and the Palestinians, I believe the Palestinians are entitled to take whatever actions necessary to defend themselves from the Israelis who kill their children and civilians. That includes the actions of groups such as Hamas, who are only doing what any true men should do: defend their people from wanton aggression. If the Israelis don't want to have to deal with terror attacks, they should themselves stop terrorizing Gaza, get out of Palestine and leave the native people the hell alone.

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    « Reply #14 on: July 10, 2013, 07:19:57 PM »
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  • Quote from: Traditional Guy 20
    Quote from: TheKnightVigilant
    I happen to be of the opinion that beliefs and doctrine are more important than ethnic background, but that's besides the point of this thread.


    And braininglitch has shown to be ethnically attached to his Jewish background, ignoring all other loyalty...this is not too surprising since those who are Jewish have the true power...


    You are lying again. I am not attached at all to that background. I can't understand why you would say that, when I am defending and praising the establishment of ghettos for Jews, to prevent them from dominating society! If you can't see that then you are completely myopic.

     

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