I know it's the Anglicans, but still, how low can they go?

Relevant because Bergoglio had made that comment about Anglicans not even needing an ordinariate. Here's the link.

WASHINGTON – The dean of the National Cathedral in Washington, D.C. claimed during his weekly address this past  Sunday that it is a sin to oppose ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity.

The message was part of a weekend tribute to the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ youth at the National Cathedral, and a commemoration of the death of Matthew Shepherd, whose slaying sparked the passage of the federal “hate crimes” bill signed into law by Barack Obama in 2009. During his speech, Gary Hall blamed churches across the country for influencing American beliefs about ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity.

“We must now have the courage to take the final step and call homophobia and heterosexism what they are. They are sin. Homophobia is a sin. Heterosexism is a sin. Shaming people for whom they love is a sin,” Hall asserted. “Only when all our churches say that clearly and boldly and courageously will our LGBT youth be free to grow up in a culture that totally embraces them fully as they are.”

He proceeded to claim that churches that oppose ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity produce a culture that is harmful to children.
“It’s more than tragic—in fact it’s shameful—that faith communities, especially Christian ones, continue to be complicit in putting our children at risk and abetting the attitudes that oppress them, thereby encouraging the aggressors who would subject our children to pain, humiliation, and violence,” Hall stated.

In an interview with reporters following the message, Hall said that he believes that “sɛҳuąƖ orientation is a gift, and the religious question should be about how they responsibly use that gift.”

There's more, but I mean, that's just filth. So very depressing.

Let's keep praying that Our Lord don't forsake his Elect.

Um.


I read a lot of strange phraseology on the internet.  


Aren't the elect by definition not forsaken?  And wouldn't the prayer be that I (and you) are among the elect?  

 

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Let's keep praying that Our Lord don't forsake his Elect.

Aren't the elect by definition not forsaken?  And wouldn't the prayer be that I (and you) are among the elect?

Yes to both.

On a related note, one should not presume to be a member of the Elect.

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Let's keep praying that Our Lord don't forsake his Elect.

Um.


I read a lot of strange phraseology on the internet.  


Aren't the elect by definition not forsaken?  And wouldn't the prayer be that I (and you) are among the elect?  

 

Ok, you are right, let me rephrase that ( English not my first language) :

Let us humbly pray that we are part of the Elect for they shall not be forsaken until the end of times.  :smile:

I thought the times will be shortened for the sake of the elect. Does it say anyone gets forsaken? (Except Ps. 22, which is my favorite Psalm and I know that one well.) :scared2:

But oh yes, I most fervently pray to be counted among the elect though I am most undeserving, and I'm not just saying that to emulate Humble Frank. Yes, my treasure's in Heaven, all of it, but I trip up sorely with the "And the second is like to this: Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. On these two commandments dependeth the whole law and the prophets." —because these Anglicans are our neighbors and THAT is something that I struggle with.

I try to remember Sts. Thomas More and John Fisher probably blessed the heathens Anglicans as they were being unjustly slaughtered. But I fear it is beyond me to forget those particular offenses, or the ones happening now like in the OP. In real life, I try so hard to be nice and pleasant around everyone, even criminals that hold me up (happened once, I NICELY turned the tables on him and the police arrested him, and I felt guilty for that! I had to testify against him, and I was pleasant in court!).  A criminal I can handle; a flagrant Sodomite I can nod at and move on. But an anti-christ? Really? No, it's not in me, and I've DUG DEEP. Regular Episcopalians who don't talk about their religion, I'm okay with; the short-haired woman priests who walk like linebackers and even (I kid you not) seem flirtatious, I can barely speak to, and then I want to throw up.

I would need to start drinking heavily and change my personality to handle people who "dress up" as clergy but spout evil. It's just not in me to treat them as in any way "my brothers."

So I really doubt I'm part of the elect. That's why I try to go to Mass as much as possible here on earth: to see as much of the altar and be as much of the Kingdom as possible before I die. I'm fully aware it might be all I get, and if it is, I will thank God for that much from the bowels of Hell.

Saint Cecilia's Girl,

Our duty is to keep the Faith and remain in the state of grace, so long as you are doing that then you can have confidence that Our Lord in His infinite justice and mercy will receive you into His Kingdom.  For most of us that may involve a lengthy purgation, but, Purgatory is only for our benefit, it is cleanses us.

Lot lived in the city of Sodom, but remained just and God was so pleased with him that he sent his angels to warn him to leave before the city was destroyed.  

We are living in a very decadent time, and it is only getting worse.  Evil is in the air, so to speak, but if we remain aloof from it, as Lot did, then we will remain pleasing to God.  

Even on it's best behavior and in the days of Jane Austen, the Anglican church is heresy and apostasy in action.  It's wretched and a danger to people's souls.  

The fact that the Episcopal Church of the U.S. is fully embracing the gαy movement should really surprise no one.  

King Henry VIII tried to replace Our Lord as the Head of His Church when he broke from Rome and Leo XIII declared Anglican orders utterly null and void so I'm not losing any sleep and will not become even slightly bothered by any idiotic and evil proclamations from the Episcopal/Anglican church.

It's amazing the force behind this sinful lifestyle. How many people are ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ in a given population? 2%

USA has a population of 315,000,000 so about 6.3 million are ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ.

How many people marry each year? About 2.1 million a rate that keeps FALLING.
So .0067% of people marry on a given year (900k divorce)

So how many ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs out of a pool of 6.3 million at the current USA rate at marry per year?
42,410 - this is assuming everyone is of likely age to "marry" so it's likely far smaller.

In the USA 50,000 new HIV cases are diagnosed each year. The highest group of people who get HIV/AIDS is ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ men, 60-70% of all cases. Nearly 30,000 cases of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ men each year discover they have HIV.

Seems like AIDS HIV should be the biggest problem to talk about.

In all seriousness when was the last time you heard HIV mentioned in the news?  You don't because it doesn't help the sodomy acceptance.