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Offline Devekut

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« on: March 09, 2014, 09:18:55 PM »
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  • I attended the Anglican Use for a little over a year but had to end my participation recently. From day one it felt sort of strange.

    First, the positives: The liturgy is very traditional and the translation is beautiful; it is very much the EF in Elizabethan English (or Shakespearean if you are trying to avoid a protestant connection). Receiving communion on the tongue whilst kneeling is the norm. The priest doth chant. Ad orientem. Proper vestments. Smells and bells. Traditional homilies.  

    The negatives: For some reason there are prayers by Cranmer. That was the brightest and largest waving red flag for me but I attempted to set my gaze to the Eucharist instead. Although better than the Novus Ordo, the music was quite cheesy; what do you expect from protestants who have converted from the Anglican "high" church? Now, my breaking point... the laity. The laity consists entirely of protestant converts whom truly did not leave their Anglican religion behind.

    The body of the AU are wholly protestant. It is almost as if they feel they have Papal approval to remain such. I've noticed that other converts to Catholicism spend a long time contemplating before doing so. They accept doctrine and dogmas. They are very much aware of the fact that they are joining an entirely different religion. However, with the Ordinariate, the converts crossed the Tiber quite quickly, as there were deadlines that had to be met. They left one religion for another that is aesthetically similar but is filled with protestants; in many cases entire prot congregations simply move to a new location under a new Roman title. This creates a church within a church; there is no need for them to adapt; no need for a true conversion. They dwell on their past and talk about why they left the Church of England/Episcopal Church before and after every mass. The reasons are always the same for all of them: "ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ/woman clergy". I never really heard complaints about liturgical abuses or NO style prot services. In fact, it was the opposite. They support bizarre Evangelical style services and seem to be grateful that the Catholic church also offers them.

    I don't think the Ordinariate can ever grow organically if Roman Catholics do not start attending services. From what I've seen, I don't think any traditional Catholic would trade in the TLM for the AU unless that was their only option.

    Has anyone else had a similar experience such as mine?


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    « Reply #1 on: March 09, 2014, 09:48:00 PM »
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  • If the problem is ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ or women clergy, they could become Orthodox, or join one of the conservative continuing Anglican Churches.  Did anyone ask them "Why Catholicism instead of one of these options?" when they were making up their minds?  If their answer was anything other than "Because the Catholic Church is the true Church and the others are not."  They should have been given the number of the nearest Orthodox priest and wished good luck.
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    « Reply #2 on: March 09, 2014, 10:10:49 PM »
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  • The Anglican Ordinariate is a Novus Ordo concoction.  Were their priests even re-ordained before being accepted by the Conciliar Vatican?  

    I'm not sure what they were supposed to convert to.  The Novus Ordo doesn't hold the Catholic faith, doesn't teach it to it's own faithful-- why on earth would they impose it on the Anglicans?
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    « Reply #3 on: March 09, 2014, 10:19:44 PM »
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  • Quote from: Sigismund
    If the problem is ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ or women clergy, they could become Orthodox, or join one of the conservative continuing Anglican Churches.  Did anyone ask them "Why Catholicism instead of one of these options?" when they were making up their minds?  If their answer was anything other than "Because the Catholic Church is the true Church and the others are not."  They should have been given the number of the nearest Orthodox priest and wished good luck.

    The Catholic Church is the true home of all the Christians.

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    « Reply #4 on: March 09, 2014, 10:56:13 PM »
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  • Quote from: Mithrandylan
    The Anglican Ordinariate is a Novus Ordo concoction.  Were their priests even re-ordained before being accepted by the Conciliar Vatican?  

    I'm not sure what they were supposed to convert to.  The Novus Ordo doesn't hold the Catholic faith, doesn't teach it to it's own faithful-- why on earth would they impose it on the Anglicans?

    It is the policy to re-ordain Anglican ministers before being accepted as Catholic priests.  


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    « Reply #5 on: March 10, 2014, 12:36:53 PM »
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  • I know that a lot of converts actually have been disowned by protestant family members. I'm wondering how many of these people have gone through divorce(and how many times) before coming over.

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    « Reply #6 on: March 10, 2014, 12:44:19 PM »
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  • My understanding is that the NO continues to consider Anglican orders to be invalid, and that any Anglican "priest" who converts must be ordained (not re-ordained, as the first never actually occurred).  Additionally, married Anglican bishops are only ordained as priests in the NO, and not bishops.

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    « Reply #7 on: March 10, 2014, 12:59:23 PM »
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  • Yes, their ordinations are considered invalid and the married bishops can only be priests. There was quite a controversy over at St. Mary's of the Angel (anglican) in Hollywood because of some sort of money fraud, a "priest" that was divorced and remarried, half of the parish wanted to join the Ordinariate and half didnt and many other things. Some of the members locked down the church for quite a long time and no one was allowed to enter to attend prot services. They all hate the one priest thst successfully joined the catholic church.


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    « Reply #8 on: March 10, 2014, 02:48:58 PM »
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  • Did they make all of the laity make general confessions for their whole protestant lives?
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    « Reply #9 on: March 10, 2014, 03:18:57 PM »
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  • I believe they had to confess before becoming Catholic, much like with the RCIA. These prots avoided the RCIA because of the time constraints. Basically, as long as there were a good amount of prots that were willing to convert all they had to do was show up as a parish after a few meetings. This seems hurtful to their conversion, especially since a lot of them are very open to NO style worship. The Ordinariate appears to be the Catholic response to Anglican High Church. In fact, their NO style mass was banned and removed. So, I don't understand why "tolerant" folk would choose to come over to the English EF of they are so against trads. Trad liturgy, liberal values (just as long as gαys and women aren't allowed to join the clergy).

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    « Reply #10 on: March 10, 2014, 08:04:43 PM »
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  • The "Anglican Use" is a gimmick used by the Novus Ordo - it's the same kind of gimmick which corporations entice buyers to a particular product, which in this case is the Novus Ordo religion.

    Anglicanism, whether within the Novus Ordo church or outside of the CATHOLIC CHURCH, is NOT CATHOLIC.  Where, in Catholic history, has the Church used a Protestant way of worship to attract adherents?  NEVER!

    I feel pity for the Anglican heretics who "convert" to the Novus Ordo religion, thinking they are actually converting to the Holy Catholic Faith while keeping their heretical Protestant trappings.  There is no such thing in Catholicism.




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    « Reply #11 on: March 11, 2014, 03:38:34 AM »
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  • Another thing I felt to be a bit strange is that the Ordinariate was initially setup for protestants. Roman Catholics and Eastern Catholics were more than welcome to attend mass but they could never join unless they had a family member that was protestant. That just goes to show that the Ordinariate truly is a type of Alcoholics Anonymous...a place for recovering protestantsto bicker about the rad trads and gush over CS Lewis. Now, Roman Catholics are able to join if they have not been confirned yet and once they are they are allowed to bring the entire family into the fold.

    Ordinariate priests are allowed to say the TLM and offer only the TLM. I thought they this might be a great loophole for any married Roman Catholic that wants to be a priest. Join the Ordinariate and celebrate the EF.

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    « Reply #12 on: March 11, 2014, 09:57:02 PM »
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  • .

    One thing I've noticed is that these whole congregations of protestants are called "Catholics" after they start using the "Anglican Use" label.  But where is the substance?  

    In previous times, for any non-Catholic to be admitted into the Church, there was a ceremony in which the recipient would kneel at the Communion rail (they've been removed in NovusOrdo churches) and the priest would stand on the sanctuary side asking a series of questions, which were basically like "Do you abjure your error?" and mentioned specific protestant heresies, one at a time -- to which the applicant would respond, "I do abjure my error," or some such words.

    But there is no such abjuration of error for the Anglican Use re-branding program.

    The principle at work in all of this is that doctrine doesn't matter (which is a lie).  

    All that matters is appearances (another lie).

    Objective reality is meaningless and subjective reality rules the day (lie number 3).

    In the end, it is sentimentalism, emotionalism and feelgoodism, aka Modernism.

    Modernism is the grand sewer of all heresies and will be the destruction of all religion, according to Pope St. Pius X.

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