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Offline s2srea

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My family is slaughtering a lamb this Saturday.
« on: April 18, 2013, 08:36:40 PM »
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  • So my dad and his cousin who is here from Lebanon are buying a lamb to kill on Saturday at my aunts business. Its a quasi-religious happening. When my sister bought her house, we bought the lamb, killed it on her doorstep, and while we were killing it and its blood was being spilt, my dad and cousin were saying some sort of prayer in arabic. Then they take some of the blood dabbed on their fingers and place a cross on either side of the door.  I asked a priest about this, and his response was that it was a cultural thing, and there's nothing wrong with it. But I thought the sacrifice of Our Blessed lord removed all need for sacrifice. I don't think my family does this in any way to supersede the Holy Sacrifice offered at mass. And we do donate meat to the poor. Just wondering what your thoughts might be on this one.

    My mom sent me two texts just now: The first of the lambs; the second of my father staring at them at the fence, and they're all huddling nearby showing interested in him. The caption: "Silly lambs, run away! Its a wolf in sheeps clothing."


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    My family is slaughtering a lamb this Saturday.
    « Reply #1 on: April 18, 2013, 09:55:32 PM »
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  • Poor little lambs.  :sad: It's not their fault that they're delicious. :ready-to-eat:


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    My family is slaughtering a lamb this Saturday.
    « Reply #2 on: April 20, 2013, 03:12:02 AM »
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  • A cross on either side of the door...

    So they are reenacting Exodus 12:7 ?

    I remember hearing a sermon speaking about that ritual once. I wonder which one it was. It was one of the Audio Sancto ones I believe.


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    'Flores apparuerunt in terra nostra. . . Fulcite me floribus.' (The flowers appear on the earth. . . stay me up with flowers. Sg 2:12,5)'-

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    My family is slaughtering a lamb this Saturday.
    « Reply #3 on: April 20, 2013, 09:45:42 AM »
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  • s2srea,

    Are you Maronite?
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    My family is slaughtering a lamb this Saturday.
    « Reply #4 on: April 20, 2013, 10:35:21 AM »
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  • Shin: So they are reenacting Exodus 12:7 ?


    Not sure. I'll get clarification on what they are actually saying during the prayer today.

    Sigi-

    My Lebanese Grandmother(+RIP) was Maronite till the day she died. Her husband, my grandfather (+RIP), was Orthodox. And almost all my dad's brothers and sisters are Orthodox (in name), but my father and a sister of his have kept the Catholic tradition. I imagine, but have not confirmed, that with my father it had to do with my dad marrying my mother (and she being Mexican Catholic). Whatever the reason, he defends the Church and its position and is not Orthodox in any way, Deo gratias.

    I've never attended a Maronite service; by the time I was old enough to do so on my own, I was immersed in Tradition and had been instructed that they've gone along with many changes post Vatican II. I've also read that a Roman Catholic should attend Roman services (and vice versa for the other Rites) and not doing so, without the permission of the bishop, is forbidden by the church. Interesting thing is, is that I was recently discussing attending Byzantine and Maronite services with one of my good friends, and he was telling me of the beauties he saw in the byzantine mass and confession; he brought up that the spirituality (for lack of a better word) was far more appealing to him in both, but that if he was able to, that he would attend Maronite mass.

    There is a byzantine church not far from where I work. I may take a visit one day to see what its about. I just looked and found an Maronite chapel in Riverside too, not far from where I live. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Saint-Joseph-Maronite-Church/142269375859570?v=info


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    My family is slaughtering a lamb this Saturday.
    « Reply #5 on: April 20, 2013, 10:12:24 PM »
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  • All Catholics are perfectly free to attend the liturgies of other rites and to receive Communion there. Formally switching rites requires some permission, but is usually easy enough if you have anything like a good reason.  
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    My family is slaughtering a lamb this Saturday.
    « Reply #6 on: April 21, 2013, 06:15:25 PM »
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  • Quote from: When I saw what this

    My family is slaughtering a lamb this Saturday. , Ah, the glories of being Lebanese..


    ..immediately, I thought, "Did anyone think of telling the lamb in advance?"


    I mean, did the lamb know about it?
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    Quote from: Sigismund
    All Catholics are perfectly free to attend the liturgies of other rites and to receive Communion there. Formally switching rites requires some permission, but is usually easy enough if you have anything like a good reason.  


    ..that would be other rites like Greek or Armenian or Russian Orthodox?  
    Does that constitute "switching rites?"  And what do you suppose the
    Orthodox priests have to say about that?  


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    My family is slaughtering a lamb this Saturday.
    « Reply #7 on: April 21, 2013, 06:21:33 PM »
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  • Slaughtering a lamb is awesome.
    R.I.P.
    Please pray for the repose of my soul.


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    My family is slaughtering a lamb this Saturday.
    « Reply #8 on: April 21, 2013, 07:11:17 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matto
    Slaughtering a lamb is awesome.


    Have you ever witnessed or done it?
    The good shepherd giveth his life for his sheep.  But the hireling, and he that is not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and flieth, and the wolf catcheth, and scattereth the sheep.  A

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    My family is slaughtering a lamb this Saturday.
    « Reply #9 on: April 21, 2013, 07:55:08 PM »
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  • Quote from: ShepherdofSheep
    Quote from: Matto
    Slaughtering a lamb is awesome.


    Have you ever witnessed or done it?


    Not so awesome for the lamb though.  

    If the man knows what he is doing it would be quick but not pretty and downright nauseating for many witnesses.
     

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    My family is slaughtering a lamb this Saturday.
    « Reply #10 on: April 21, 2013, 08:53:11 PM »
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  • Quote from: Marlelar
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    Quote from: Matto
    Slaughtering a lamb is awesome.


    Have you ever witnessed or done it?


    Not so awesome for the lamb though.  

    If the man knows what he is doing it would be quick but not pretty and downright nauseating for many witnesses.
     


    Yes, I thought it was an odd statement to make.  I don't know of anybody who enjoys slaughtering anything, much less declaring it awesome.  At best, it's a job that needs to be done, and more than likely done with great distaste.  I mean, you are taking something's life in a very dramatic fashion.
    The good shepherd giveth his life for his sheep.  But the hireling, and he that is not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and flieth, and the wolf catcheth, and scattereth the sheep.  A


    Offline Neil Obstat

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    My family is slaughtering a lamb this Saturday.
    « Reply #11 on: April 22, 2013, 01:01:39 AM »
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  • Loving Shepherd of the sheep
    Keep me Lord, in safety keep
    Nothing can Thy pow'r withstand
    None can pluck me from Thy hand.

    Loving Shepherd Thou didst give
    Thine own life that I might live,
    May I love Thee day by day
    Gladly Thy sweet will obey.

    Thou O God, my heart inflame,
    Give that love which Thou dost claim;
    Payment I will ask but none;
    Love demands but love alone.

    Jesus, Lord, be Thou mine own;
    Thee I long for, Thee alone;
    All my-self I give to Thee;
    Do what e'er Thou wilt with me.

    Loving Shepherd ever near,
    Teach me still Thy voice to hear.
    Suffer not my step to stray
    From the straight and narrow way.

    Where Thou leadest may I go,
    Walking in Thy steps below;
    Then before Thy Father's throne,
    Jesus claim me for Thine own.

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    My family is slaughtering a lamb this Saturday.
    « Reply #12 on: April 22, 2013, 01:23:22 AM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
    Quote from: When I saw what this

    My family is slaughtering a lamb this Saturday. , Ah, the glories of being Lebanese..


    ..immediately, I thought, "Did anyone think of telling the lamb in advance?"


    I mean, did the lamb know about it?
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    Quote from: Sigismund
    All Catholics are perfectly free to attend the liturgies of other rites and to receive Communion there. Formally switching rites requires some permission, but is usually easy enough if you have anything like a good reason.  


    ..that would be other rites like Greek or Armenian or Russian Orthodox?  
    Does that constitute "switching rites?"  And what do you suppose the
    Orthodox priests have to say about that?  




    He's talking about switching to a different Catholic rite.  Not defecting from the Church.
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    My family is slaughtering a lamb this Saturday.
    « Reply #13 on: April 29, 2013, 08:56:32 PM »
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  • Quote from: ShepherdofSheep
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    Quote from: Matto
    Slaughtering a lamb is awesome.


    Have you ever witnessed or done it?


    Not so awesome for the lamb though.  

    If the man knows what he is doing it would be quick but not pretty and downright nauseating for many witnesses.
     


    Yes, I thought it was an odd statement to make.  I don't know of anybody who enjoys slaughtering anything, much less declaring it awesome.  At best, it's a job that needs to be done, and more than likely done with great distaste.  I mean, you are taking something's life in a very dramatic fashion.


    We did slaughter the lamb. My dad's cousin from Lebanon did almost everything. I did help holding it down when it came time to killing it. It wasn't as gruesome as I'd imagined; I did feel bad, but was glad it died rather quickly. The family my dad's cousin is from owned quite a bit of lambs before the cινιℓ ωαr apparently. He is truly an expert, and everything went smoothly.

    It did make me think... how us youngsters who are so removed from scenes like this in our daily life lack a certain depth in aspects of the Faith. The whole event was beneficial, in a sense. I thought about the term, 'slaughter', the old testament sacrifices, and Holy Sacrifice of our Lord on Calvary and at mass every day; the connection they all have is undeniable; It made me think about how our Blessed Lord is the Lamb lead to slaughter for our Sins (and may God forgive me if what I am saying is inaccurate in any way), and is the Sacrifice of the New Covenant, and at the same time the fulfillment of the old. He is (and was) actually 'slaughtered'. Its a point worth meditating.  

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    My family is slaughtering a lamb this Saturday.
    « Reply #14 on: April 29, 2013, 11:16:04 PM »
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  • It appears that it is a sacramental.