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Offline Antony

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« on: January 08, 2015, 08:51:50 PM »
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  • As a driver I will be required to deliver to a sports bar connected with a strip club. There are separated but in the same building with same owners. On the outside of the sports bar there sign has a picture of a woman in a bathing suit around a pole. I would think that I have the obligation to not deliver my products to such a place as a Catholic employee. What do you think? I may have to quite my job over this one.


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    « Reply #1 on: January 08, 2015, 10:18:11 PM »
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  • Dear Antony,

    If you took the subway or the bus to work, you would likely see impure, suggestive photos of women advertised, or immodest women in person.  Lots of people have jobs connected to something anti Catholic--probably most do except farmers and mothers.  The world, the flesh and the devil are everywhere to tempt the souls of men.  Don't listen to the devil trying to make you quit your job, unless you have a nice trust fund or an otherwise secure future.  We have read these types of concerns by young men countless times here, and this type of thinking is just not healthy.  You are not condoning prostitution by delivering pizza near a strip club.

    You are just delivering pizza and now you know exactly where and when to avert your eyes like your Mom taught you.  You have your Brown Scapular on and your rosary in your hands, so stay employed and lead a productive life.  :cheers:


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    « Reply #2 on: January 08, 2015, 10:26:45 PM »
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  • This is a tough question I do not know the answer to so I would suggest asking a traditional priest.
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    « Reply #3 on: January 08, 2015, 10:38:12 PM »
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  • This is an issue that rquires great prudence. If I applied the Catholic morality test where I live I would have to go live in a cave and not talk to anybody. What we have to do is to live the holiness that God calls us to live. What I recommend that you do is to make the deliveries that you are required to make. Be affable but say as little as possible to the people in that place. Don't look at what you shouldn't look at. And pray for the conversion of the people who go hang out there.      

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    « Reply #4 on: January 08, 2015, 10:42:25 PM »
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  • How to Act when a Work Place Demands Moral Compromises?

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    The solution of this problem relies on your answer to this question: To what degree do you really need to work and earn money to provide for your family?

     To answer this question, you may consider that regarding necessity, there is a hierarchy. When you say that you need to work, you should determine your degree of need from the following categories:

    •      Indispensable - something vital for life - you need the money for the maintenance of your family; without it your children will starve or your mother will lose the medical assistance she needs to live, or you will lose your house because you cannot make the monthly payments;

    •   Necessary - you need the money for something that your children can live without, but lacking it they cannot pursue their studies, go to the doctor, or dress according to the social level of your family;

    •   Convenient - with this extra income you would be able to pay for extra courses of languages so that your children can eventually get better jobs, frequent better social circles, marry persons of a better economic condition. If it were not languages, then it would be some other similar thing: to join a suitable club, dress in a more dignified way appropriate to Catholic principles.

    •   Superfluous - with this extra money you could send your children on vacations in Florida or take a family ski trip in Colorado to relax from the stress of life, or you could remodel your courtyard in a more fashionable style for your pleasure and to make a good impression on your friends.
    If the income you are seeking is for superfluous or convenient needs, do not try to get back the license for your job. The compromise you will have to make represents a moral damage far above your needs.

    However, if you need to work in order to earn a salary for indispensable or necessary things, then you may submit to the association rules without agreeing with them. That is, you accept them not for what they represent, but to acquire the means for your family to survive.

    A simpler example is this: A man needs his car to earn money to survive; the only gas station in town supports ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity. When he goes to fill the tank of his car, he is not supporting ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, but acquiring the means to provide for himself and his family.

    In conclusion: if the association that issues credentials for your job is the only organ able to do so, and you need (indispensably and necessarily) that job to provide for your family, you may submit to their terms without agreeing with them.

    http://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/k020-Credentials.html
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.


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    « Reply #5 on: January 09, 2015, 01:14:52 AM »
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  • Quote from: Cantarella
    How to Act when a Work Place Demands Moral Compromises?

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    The solution of this problem relies on your answer to this question: To what degree do you really need to work and earn money to provide for your family?

     To answer this question, you may consider that regarding necessity, there is a hierarchy. When you say that you need to work, you should determine your degree of need from the following categories:

    •      Indispensable - something vital for life - you need the money for the maintenance of your family; without it your children will starve or your mother will lose the medical assistance she needs to live, or you will lose your house because you cannot make the monthly payments;

    •   Necessary - you need the money for something that your children can live without, but lacking it they cannot pursue their studies, go to the doctor, or dress according to the social level of your family;

    •   Convenient - with this extra income you would be able to pay for extra courses of languages so that your children can eventually get better jobs, frequent better social circles, marry persons of a better economic condition. If it were not languages, then it would be some other similar thing: to join a suitable club, dress in a more dignified way appropriate to Catholic principles.

    •   Superfluous - with this extra money you could send your children on vacations in Florida or take a family ski trip in Colorado to relax from the stress of life, or you could remodel your courtyard in a more fashionable style for your pleasure and to make a good impression on your friends.
    If the income you are seeking is for superfluous or convenient needs, do not try to get back the license for your job. The compromise you will have to make represents a moral damage far above your needs.

    However, if you need to work in order to earn a salary for indispensable or necessary things, then you may submit to the association rules without agreeing with them. That is, you accept them not for what they represent, but to acquire the means for your family to survive.

    A simpler example is this: A man needs his car to earn money to survive; the only gas station in town supports ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity. When he goes to fill the tank of his car, he is not supporting ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, but acquiring the means to provide for himself and his family.

    In conclusion: if the association that issues credentials for your job is the only organ able to do so, and you need (indispensably and necessarily) that job to provide for your family, you may submit to their terms without agreeing with them.

    http://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/k020-Credentials.html


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    « Reply #6 on: January 09, 2015, 09:51:06 AM »
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  • Yes, please do consult a Traditional priest with all the details.  It may depend on what you're delivering, how integral it is to any possible immoral operations taking place there, and whether there might be scandal involved.

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    « Reply #7 on: January 10, 2015, 10:32:08 AM »
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  • As an employee, you are expected to do what they're paying you for -  unless it is an occasion of sin for you, if it is an occasion of sin then either inform your employer that you cannot go to that bar or quit if you cannot guard your eyes while there.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse