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Came in to thumb up a couple of posts.

Alaric you say you want to praise their actions not their false doctrines. I believe that, but then you have to think, what are their actions? Threatening to kill her? Sure they may have the "fortitude" to defend their beliefs but let's not pretend our Christian virtue of fortitude is anywhere near related to death threats. We don't stand up enough for our Faith that is true but I don't believe holding up Muslims as an example is helpful since we shouldn't behave the way they do anyway. It's kind of a useless comparison.

I didn't see anywhere where they threatened to kill her, where does this come from? And even if they did, can't you get it that these people see LG and the secular hedonists like her as a viable threat to the fabric of their society? do you not see this is part of a greater culture war and attack on all things they consider moral and upright?

What is it with people in the West these days in dealing a debased nature and immorality?

Let's see: you left out "with?" I.e., "...in dealing with a debased..." -- that would be what, LGG's debased nature and immorality, or the Mohammedans' debased nature and LGG's immorality, or the Mohammedans' immorality and LGG's debased nature, or both? After all, they're both debased and immoral, so I'm not sure what your point is here.

Are you all caught up in this "we can't judge others" fallacy? Of course that rule goes out the window when it comes to applauding muslims for doing the right thing.

And they do the right thing in lots of cases like this, right? Or are you saying something else?

 

But having said this, I said nothing about emulating muslims by using "death threats" ( which wasn't the case anyway here), I said maybe we should start emulating people who actually will stand publicly and vocally and defend their faith and stand against evil. I don't see what is so difficult conceiving this.

You would have to live under a rock to not know that LGG feared for her life when she took one look at that angry mob. She probably reads more than you do, is the problem.

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What is it with people in the West these days in dealing a debased nature and immorality?

This is what is so depraved about Trads caught up in approval of the Zionist/anti-Muslim program.  The anti-Muslim program has to do with trying to corrupt the laws and morals of the people who live in Muslim countries, and if Christians are the casualties and collateral damage of the conflicts provoked by that campaign, it is nothing to the Zionists.

We actually have the lawyer of the SSPX speaking of the ʝʊdɛօ-Christian identity of wine, music (like LadyGaga) and miniskirts.

This is insanity, and this is sadly seems to be embedded in the subconscious thinking of many trads.  The media is very very powerful, even among those whom ostensibly reject it.

How about those who don't watch the MSM? Is the "media" powerful over those who ignore it?

So any Catholic who has something to say about the evils of Mohammedan morals and shariah law is "trying to corrupt the laws and morals of the people who live in Muslim countries?" I'm sorry, Telesphorus, you have some remedial training to undertake. Make that "a lot" of training.



Please allow me to clear up a little confusion here.


The FPI was doing one thing.
They were attempting to protect their women from Western influence, which they sincerely believe is abominable.

And according to shariah law, they have the right, nay, the DUTY, to use force, even deadly force, to protect their social structure.

According to shariah law, a man can beat his wife if she disobeys him.
He can kill his daughter or daughters, if she or they disobey(s) him.
And if he does these things, the law will grant him immunity because he is the Lord of his family, even to the point of capital punishment.

That's probably too much for you to handle already, so I won't give more details, milk to children and all that stuff.

Whether you want to admit it or not, Muslims fear and revere God.

You're a bit off here. Muslims don't worship the same God we do. They worship a false god.

St. Thomas Aquinas also said that Muslims don't worship God the Father in his work "Contra Gentiles".

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Whether you want to admit it or not, Muslims fear and revere God.

You're a bit off here. Muslims don't worship the same God we do. They worship a false god.

That's true but they believe in a Creator and in Divine Judgment.

Yes, but my point was that they don't worship God, but a false god. So to say that Muslims fear and revere God is just a bit off.

This is what is so depraved about Trads caught up in approval of the Zionist/anti-Muslim program.

If you haven't noticed many Traditional Catholics are not "traditional" at all but very liberal in their thinking.

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Yes, but my point was that they don't worship God, but a false god. So to say that Muslims fear and revere God is just a bit off.

Uh you don't know much about the Islamic religion do you? Muslims believe that Muslims, Christians, and Jews all revere and honor the same God and believe that Jesus was a great prophet and also give his mother Mary much reverence. They just reject the Incarnation .

Muslims believing that is irrelevant. That has nothing to do with that I said.

One also cannot worship God if they reject the Trinity.

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Muslims believing that is irrelevant. That has nothing to do with that I said.

One also cannot worship God if they reject the Trinity.

The point is Muslims are willing to die for their beliefs. I don't see our comfortable Western Christians doing the same thing.

No, they are willing to kill or do violence for their beliefs. If the point is to give the example of people willing to die for their beliefs how about we read the martyrology?

alaric, if you shake off the political mumbo jumbo that you and Tele inject into this you will see that most agree with your basic message that Western Catholics need to step it up. The objection is in how to go about a solution and who to use as an example, otherwise we are in agreement.

There is something so off about this constant putting of Muslims on a pedestal when we have plenty of Catholic examples to read and learn about, even in our own time. You simply aren't looking for them because you seem bent on deriding them.

There is something so off about this constant putting of Muslims on a pedestal when we have plenty of Catholic examples to read and learn about, even in our own time. You simply aren't looking for them because you seem bent on deriding them.

There is something very off-putting about "Christians" who show hatred for Muslims for believing in modesty and chastity.  I just saw a lovely Muslim married woman at the grocery today in a veil.  And I thought to myself, how many people hate this woman because she believes in a Creator, a Divine Judge, in heaven and Hell, and most of all because she has the courage to wear a veil in public.  The people who hate Muslims for wearing veils, and who praise miniskirts, are people who are inimical not just to the True religion, but to all moral decency and all respect for God.

Incidentally it's the very sort of person Bishop Fellay hires to manage SSPX monies, provide legal representation, and even serve on the chair of a girl's school.

Now what kind of fools does he think we are?