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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Movie: “Garabandal: Only God Knows”
« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2019, 08:16:25 AM »
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    And the local bishop there rejected/condemned the apparition, while the Vatican rejected appeals of his decision.
    Same thing happened with Majegouri too, except I think it's been condemned locally more than once.  Yet people still hope that it will be approved.  ??  They act like the Church is a democracy - that if they keep putting things up for a vote, they'll eventually get the result they want.

    If the Church was running normally, I'd guess that instead of turning a blind eye to these places (there's probably modernists somewhere who are making $ off these places), the Church would excommunicate all those who go there or support these lies.  Send in exorcists to bless the site, condemn it, and shut these things down for good.


    Offline Endeavor

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    Re: Movie: “Garabandal: Only God Knows”
    « Reply #16 on: January 18, 2019, 11:45:47 AM »
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  • I came across this quote on, Introibo Ad Altare Dei, in his series called, "Singing for Satan.
    It is about Michael Jackson. Look at the following quote from non other than Aleister Crowley.
     Crowley also wrote in his work “Magick in Theory and Practice” about the importance of the initiate learning to ‘think backwards’.
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    First Method. Let the Exempt Adept first train himself to think backwards by external means, as set forth here following.
    (“a”) Let him learn to write backwards, with either hand.
    (“b”) Let him learn to walk backwards.
    (“c”) Let him constantly watch, if convenient, cinematograph films, and listen to phonograph records, reversed, and let him so accustom himself to these that they appear natural, and appreciable as a whole.
    (“d”) Let him practise speaking backwards; thus for “I am He” let him say, “Eh ma I”.
    (“e”) Let him learn to read backwards. In this it is difficult to avoid cheating one’s self, as an expert reader sees a sentence at a glance. Let his disciple read aloud to him backwards, slowly at first, then more quickly.
    (“f”) Of his own ingenium, let him devise other methods.


    That horrid backward walk of the alleged seers has always frightened me.


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    Re: Movie: “Garabandal: Only God Knows”
    « Reply #17 on: January 18, 2019, 12:20:56 PM »
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  • And the local bishop there rejected/condemned the apparition, while the Vatican rejected appeals of his decision.  So that's the end of it as far as I'm concerned.
     A random local bishop nowadays has about a 50% chance of being a fαɢɢօt.  So unless he behaved like a sensible Catholic I wouldn't care much what he thought.
    Bishop Williamson believed in Garabandal, but with Joey dead I suspect he does not any longer.

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    Re: Movie: “Garabandal: Only God Knows”
    « Reply #18 on: January 18, 2019, 12:21:31 PM »
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  • I didn't believe in Garabandal, even before Joey died.
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    Before some audiences not even the possession of the exactest knowledge will make it easy for what we say to produce conviction. For argument based on knowledge implies instruction, and there are people whom one cannot instruct.  - Aristotle

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    Re: Movie: “Garabandal: Only God Knows”
    « Reply #19 on: January 18, 2019, 12:23:54 PM »
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  • But Bishop Williamson did.

    And he is no fool.


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    Re: Movie: “Garabandal: Only God Knows”
    « Reply #20 on: January 18, 2019, 12:54:21 PM »
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  • But Bishop Williamson did.

    And he is no fool.
    Bishop Williamson was wrong.
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    Before some audiences not even the possession of the exactest knowledge will make it easy for what we say to produce conviction. For argument based on knowledge implies instruction, and there are people whom one cannot instruct.  - Aristotle

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    Re: Movie: “Garabandal: Only God Knows”
    « Reply #21 on: August 19, 2019, 05:04:52 PM »
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  • Bishop Williamson still believes in Garabandal.

    How about this though.... with Garabandal you need to see that there is a hierarchy in the level of certainty in the apparitions/ phenomena.

    The last chapter of She went in haste to the mountain also talk of this

    1) most worthy of belief are the visible day to day reality of the long ecstasies, the children praying in the cold in the winter for many hours, the spontaneous response the the llamadas, the ecstatic marches, the knowledge of holy things given to the children and of priests who were under cover... the many phenomena such as these that were seen by thousands of witnessess and are clearly supernatural or (preternatural)

    2) the first public message that was given in apparition all the children agreed on and understood as from Our Lady

    3) any messages from the apparitions that all the children saw/heard have individually reported

    4) the 2nd message that was given publically but only to concita, but which the others attended and understood to be genuine and in accord with the many private conversations they had with our lady

    5) so called bits of speech reported to be from conversations between the children and the Virgin

    6) locutions that the children individually reported to have received interiorly and where only one child received the message

    for me the whole Joey thing is on level 6. I believe in Garabandal solidly on level 1) 
    I believe it less solidly down to level 4

    level 5 and 6, nah. I don't think so, there is too much room for human error there and the messings of human psychology.

    So, in conclusion, when one accepts Garabandal as a place our lady appears that is one thing, but it need not require you to thereby accept so called locutions supposedly heard by the grown up children some time later.

    This kind of analysis one could even do with Fatima, e.g lower down the level would be the so called sayings of Jacinta to mother Godhino, In this case, let me add, I accept all of them, but point remains one can accept things around an apparition to one degree or to another.

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    Re: Movie: “Garabandal: Only God Knows”
    « Reply #22 on: August 19, 2019, 06:26:27 PM »
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  • I lived in the Bronx NY in the late 80’s.  There was a buzz going around that one of the Garabandal visionary’s were living or visiting in Queens.  Some folks went to meet her (it wasn’t like a public event or anything, they just knew someone who she was staying with).  When they came back they stated that the Visionary said the events took place when she was very young.  She was very uncertain about them.  

    Now she could have been shy or humble but those in attendance were avid Garabandal devotees.  They left this encounter very shaken.  Surely, someone who wittinessed the glories of heaven and saw Our Lady and St Michael etc...would have no doubts!  How could one ever forget such a thing.

    They say a few years later she apologized for her doubts and affirmed her visions but her second guessing and lack of conviction was enough to lose my support.


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    Re: Movie: “Garabandal: Only God Knows”
    « Reply #23 on: August 20, 2019, 03:57:39 AM »
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  • It is true, they have all doubted their whole lives. 

    That is apparently a reflection of the crisis of faith we are living through and something Our Lady assured would happen to them.

    Of course even other seers have had doubts, st Bernadette, I understand did.
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    Re: Movie: “Garabandal: Only God Knows”
    « Reply #24 on: August 20, 2019, 08:30:42 AM »
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  • The first time I heard of this I new it was a fraud.  The children had Our Lady saying the Council would be a success.  As far as I’m concerned, we don’t even need Joey Lamongino to point out that the Council was an utter failure.  Even from a modernist heretic’s perspective, the Council was a failure.  It was followed by nothing but division, church closings, bankruptcy, and sex scandals.  There’s nothing about this apparition that seems of God.  A priest sees tge apparition and drops dead??  What diabolical garbage this is.  I might actually hate this apparition even more than medjugorje, which is another obvious ploy of the devil.

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    Re: Movie: “Garabandal: Only God Knows”
    « Reply #25 on: August 20, 2019, 10:19:37 AM »
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  • I'm not trying to cast any doubt or anything else on Garabandal, but I was very creeped out by the children running backwards and then slamming their knees down incredibly hard to kneel in front of our Lady... Would our Lady cause such a strange spectacle? (forgive me , but it appeared bizarely occultic- not saying it was, but gave me that feeling) It all seemed very weird, even barring the Joey Lamangino stuff. As far as the prophesies, I don't think there is anything against Church teaching and I found myself considering them at an earlier time. Now pretty much suspect of the whole thing.


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    Re: Movie: “Garabandal: Only God Knows”
    « Reply #26 on: August 20, 2019, 10:37:45 AM »
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  • I was told  that Father Miara, the pastor at Holy Innocents in Manhattan, recommended that his children watch the move about Garabandal. Some of them watched it. They told us at coffee hour. Tom (Mount Aetna) told me that he thought Father Miara was a good priest and that he had no strikes against him. He said the same about the priest at my local Novus Ordo parish, Father Henue, who was recently in China serving the faithful there and trying to convert the pagans (That he had no strikes against him).

    Tom knows more about the Church than anyone I know. When I talk to him he tells me about priests and Bishops and all the Churches. He seems to know every picture and every statue in every Church. Perhaps he only knows the ones relevant to me that are special to me. When I needed to pray to Saint Lucy he told me about a statue of her. When I told him I was devoted to Gemma, he told me where there was a picture of her. He is a friend. We have never fought, even though he has a temper. I love him dearly.

    I bought Tom a book (the Vigano book) and he was generous and overpaid for it by twenty cents. He offers to buy me coffee and food and when I offer to pay for him he always refuses. He is generous and kind, even though he is disabled with cancer and has very limited money because he is living off of disability. I love him dearly.
    R.I.P.
    Please pray for the repose of my soul.

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    Re: Movie: “Garabandal: Only God Knows”
    « Reply #27 on: August 20, 2019, 01:26:13 PM »
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  • Obviously the reported overhearing of the children asking the Blessed Virgin about the council, and of the overhearing of the responding along the lines of "o good the council will speak well of you" and "so through the council and the miracle the world will be converted" is problematic.

    However 

    1) we don't actually know what Our Blessed mother said to the kids. It may be our Lady was referring to a later council....

    2) It may be that the children are caught up in the collective enthusiasm for their council and are applying their enthusiasm on Our Lady's words 

    3) It may be that the point Our Lady was speaking was prior to the complete hijacking of the council by the new docuмents etc etc, the re writing of the apparently orthodox original docuмents and their replacement by modernism.

    4) it may be that the report is incorrect, these so called sayings that the children apparently said are not very athoritative in the whole garabandal scheme.
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    Re: Movie: “Garabandal: Only God Knows”
    « Reply #28 on: August 20, 2019, 05:09:20 PM »
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  • Obviously the reported overhearing of the children asking the Blessed Virgin about the council, and of the overhearing of the responding along the lines of "o good the council will speak well of you" and "so through the council and the miracle the world will be converted" is problematic.

    However

    1) we don't actually know what Our Blessed mother said to the kids. It may be our Lady was referring to a later council....

    2) It may be that the children are caught up in the collective enthusiasm for their council and are applying their enthusiasm on Our Lady's words

    3) It may be that the point Our Lady was speaking was prior to the complete hijacking of the council by the new docuмents etc etc, the re writing of the apparently orthodox original docuмents and their replacement by modernism.

    4) it may be that the report is incorrect, these so called sayings that the children apparently said are not very athoritative in the whole garabandal scheme.
    It is not necessary to "save" Garabandal. Do you "need" it?
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Re: Movie: “Garabandal: Only God Knows”
    « Reply #29 on: August 20, 2019, 06:45:32 PM »
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  • St. John of the Cross: Even true apparitions, beware.

    What an apparition says does not always happen. They ain't the Fifth Gospel.